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| Michale Totten reports on the Muslims (and Catholics and Orthodox Christians) of Kosovo |
| 2008-07-23 |
| Hattip Instapundit. A taste from one of our best independent reporters. Go read the whole thing. I understood already why the KLA [Kosovo Liberation Army, presumably] told the mujahideen, the radical Arab Islamists, to stay out during the war, but I wanted to hear a local person explain it from his or her perspective. "The KLA," I said. "Why did they say no to the mujahideen?" "In Bosnia," he said, "the mujahideen called the war a holy war, and they wanted to call the war here a holy war. But it was not a holy war, it was a war against the Serbian regime and paramilitary forces. So to prevent this we told them No. You can't have an attitude like that. You can send money to buy guns, but you cannot be with us in the war. That was a good idea. They destroy everything they touch." |
| Posted by:trailing wife |
| #19 See WINDS OF CHANGE for various artics as per KOSOVO + BALKANS. *TOPIX > EAST VERSUS WEST IN CENTRAL ASIA; + US, RUSSIA, CHINA, AND ISLAM IN RACE FOR ASIAN DOMINANCE. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2008-07-23 23:55 |
| #18 No, but based on their actions, I'd put the Serbs and the killers at Beslan in the same category. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2008-07-23 22:13 |
| #17 So the fact that the Serbs are allied with the Russians proves that they're the bad guys. By that logic, the killers at Beslan are the good guys. No, but it doesn't mean we have to pretend you're the good guys while they're are killing every adult male and pretending that using the word civilian with scare quotes makes it ok. |
| Posted by: Abdominal Snowman 2008-07-23 22:09 |
| #16 I am disinclined to accept "...but they were victims of the nazis 50 years ago" as a reason for their pogrom-of-the-week, especially from close allies of the Russians who are (as we speak) profiting from selling breeder reactors to the Iranians. So the fact that the Serbs are allied with the Russians proves that they're the bad guys. By that logic, the killers at Beslan are the good guys. |
| Posted by: Vamos 2008-07-23 20:27 |
| #15 If the Serbs committed "genocide" when they killed "8000" Muslim "civilians" in Srebenica, then we also committed "genocide" when we bombed Serbian civilians in Belgrade. |
| Posted by: Jomogum Brown6525 2008-07-23 20:00 |
| #14 Got some clarity from the comments in this one didn't we? |
| Posted by: .5MT 2008-07-23 19:31 |
| #13 I'm not ready to go McZoid, but I wonder what kind of reception you'd get in 60 years. And I'd observe that Turks weren't burka babes a generation ago. That's not to say that anything will happen but that things do change and Islam, supported by Saudi Wahabi money, seems to change things in the wrong direction. I do believe that in order to bring this trend to am end, a lot of people are going to have to die one way or the other. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2008-07-23 19:31 |
| #12 McZoid and others in this thread need to get back on their meds, stat. Obviously none of you have any freaking clue what the hell you are talking about. As it happens, I took the same tour (Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Albana, Kosovo) last summer as Totten is doing right now. Yeah, Albania and Kosovo are Muslim areas. That's like saying that Canadians are Christians - meaning, in name only. Hell, in Shkoder, Albania, I had a group of these wild-eyed savages with scimitars buy me beer and pizza all afternoon, which they also shared. I'd take them rather than say, Belgium, any day to watch my back. |
| Posted by: Mizzou Mafia 2008-07-23 17:44 |
| #11 The girls in the pix at the link certainly don't look like your typical burqa babes and the availability of liquor is always a good thing. But I couldn't help getting the feeling that MSM coverage of the 1990's Balkans wars was indeed one sided. Wasn't Serbia's loss of Kosovo somewhat like if the US lost California? Oh, that's right, we're letting California go too. Memo to third world countries contemplating invading their neighbors: Don't send an army of guys with guns, tanks and warplanes. Send families with plenty of women and children who are willing to do the work your neighbor's people won't. Then there are new reports of ethnic Albanians causing trouble in Macedonia. Is it a pattern? Is Albania in an expansionist mode? I dunno but if you Google "Greater Albania" it sure returns a lot of hits. |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-07-23 16:18 |
| #10 Yugoslavia was neutral in the cold war. Ptoblem is: Yugoslav Muslims weren't little saints and Serbs had perhaps some reasons to be unwilling to live under Muslim domination in Bosnia. Did you know that Itzbegovitch, the Muslim presdient was told to havbe been a Hanschar? That his propganda depicted turbanned horsemen crushing christains under the roofs of their horses? What did ypu expect from the Serbs? That they waited patiently until they were exterminated? About genocide. First do you really think MSM lied only in Irak and Vietwnam? |
| Posted by: JFM 2008-07-23 15:43 |
| #9 Totten is a good guy but unfortunately he has taken at face value everytning his contacts havce told him. To begin with he know little of region's history be it the genocide of Serbs during WWII (I advice reading abit ovout the SS Hanschar division ) or the silent ethnic cleansing of Serbs after Tito's death. And here's a little bit of global historical context: within ten years of the defeat of the Nazis the Soviets were operating a totalitarian empire of their own, running from central Germany to China, killed tens of millions of people, enslaved hundreds of millions, and stopping them at South Korea cost the US some 50,000 war dead of our own. I am disinclined to accept "...but they were victims of the nazis 50 years ago" as a reason for their pogrom-of-the-week, especially from close allies of the Russians who are (as we speak) profiting from selling breeder reactors to the Iranians. |
| Posted by: Abdominal Snowman 2008-07-23 12:50 |
| #8 Totten the Clintonist liar Oh FFS, McZoid, you are an asshole if you truly believe what your wrote right there. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-07-23 10:31 |
| #7 Totten is a good guy but unfortunately he has taken at face value everytning his contacts havce told him. To begin with he know little of region's history be it the genocide of Serbs during WWII (I advice reading abit ovout the SS Hanschar division ) or the silent ethnic cleansing of Serbs after Tito's death. Now he has a point: in his phtos it looks like it is harder to find a hijab in Kosovo than in Paris. |
| Posted by: JFM 2008-07-23 09:51 |
| #6 Bravo McZoid! Not for your sentiments---which I fully share, but for managing to remain civil. When I think of Totten and his "moderate Muslim" Pravda, I just can't help reverting to the Russian profanity of my youth. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2008-07-23 09:22 |
| #5 You got a little bit of spittle in your beard, there, McZoid. How was your last trip to Albania, by the way? See a lot, talk to a lot of people? |
| Posted by: Mitch H. 2008-07-23 09:20 |
| #4 We can only expect more of Clinton's policies, too, with all of his former advisors fueling Obama's train. |
| Posted by: Danielle 2008-07-23 07:46 |
| #3 Oh and while we're at it, we can't just blame Clinton for this insane policy, since Bush and the EU are doing pretty much the same thing with Turkey, smoothing its transition from secularism to Islamism. |
| Posted by: Chaitch Pelosi9136 2008-07-23 07:24 |
| #2 Yup, we did a good a job bombing the Serbs out of their homeland so that Islamists could have a base in Europe. If I was an indigenous citizen of a small European country I'd be very, very worried by this precedent. |
| Posted by: Chaitch Pelosi9136 2008-07-23 07:17 |
| #1 Totten is an obsessed snake oil vendor. What you read from him is not expertise; it is apologism, worthy of loathsome medieval Jesuits. There have been several documented liberal and secular periods in the history of islam; 100% of same faded out, as fundamentalists revive - again and again - the confrontation with the West. When the Communists had to explain un-socialist aspects of their tyrannies, they spoke of "non antagonistic contradictions." Only the morally bankrupt denied that visible benign phenomenon, was purely transient. During the Cold War, thousands of pseudo intellectuals attributed lapses in communist legality, to peaceful intentions. To this day, I doubt that the communist doctrine of "protracted war" could impact on Chomsky's warped brain. Similarly, the muslim enemy benefits from cartoonish characterizations of their attitudes to the despised disbeliever (kaffir). All muslims are inherent belligerent to external enemies and internal shirkers. They are conditioned to believe that their deity needs 5 prostrations per day from believers, and perma war against disbelievers. All muslim polities degenerate into malignant forms. They are passive when they are small in number, and aggressive when they have the force of numbers to effect sharia perversities. There is no such thing as a loyal muslim; ALL their patriotic efforts are either directed at a Caliph (leader of Muslims) or Calipha movements. Muslims are the termites of Western Civilization. Totten skates around an explicit defense of Clinton's savageries against Serbs in Bosnia and Kosovo. While he was writing, a Kosovo Assembly leader was caught with a pound of Afghan Heroin. Are Kosovo/Albania the carriers of Central Asia poison to Europe? What do Americans get from defending Clinton's Heroin Republics? Totten regurgitates lies about nominal muslim tolerance of Christians, without admitting a fact: Christians CANNOT construct new churches in either Bosnia or Kosovo or Albania. Even getting permits to renovate is difficult. In contrast, Wahabi mosques are going up all over the Ottoman rat-holes of Europe. One report disclosed 20% Kosovan support for the Wahabi ideology. Lastly, Totten the Clintonist liar promotes indulgence of Ottoman gutter entities in Europe. Exactly how many muslims support a Judaeo-Christian presence in the Middle East? ZERO!!! Over 2,000,000 Christians have been cleansed from their Holy Lands since 1948. And you know how much respect there is for Jews in the muslim tyrannies. I don't see NATO protecting Egyptian Copts and Lebanese Maronites or Chaldeans or Mandeans. Its too bad that free peoples crave reports on happy, liberal muslims. Lies can comfort, but they hardly contribute to understanding. Totten can drop dead. Do any Rantburg regulars deny the "Clash of Civilization" thesis? If so, I would like to see what could be dredged up as evidence of latent amity. |
| Posted by: McZoid 2008-07-23 05:34 |