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Britain
FranceÂ’s blunt warning over Irish No
2008-06-10
Irish voters were warned on Monday that the rest of the European Union would look at them with “gigantic incomprehension” if they rejected the bloc’s Lisbon reform treaty in Thursday’s referendum.
No! Not Gigantic Incomprehension!
“It would be very, very awkward if we couldn’t count on the Irish, who themselves have counted a great deal on Europe’s money,” he added.
"Jean-Louis!"
"Yes, M. le Foreign Minister!"
"Increase their interest rate!"
"Yes, M. le Foreign Minister!"
Mr KouchnerÂ’s allusion to the billions of euros Ireland has received in EU funds was unusually blunt for a campaign in which other European governments have generally taken the view that it is best not to lecture the Irish on how to vote.
"Faith! And yez wouldn't be lecturin' us on how to vote now, would yez?"
"Well, I..."
"Pat! Break his kneecap!"
A spokesman for José Manuel Barroso, the European Commission president, confined himself to saying it was “very important that the Irish people exercise their right to vote”.
"We're sure they're gonna vote the right way," he said. "And we're sure their interest rates aren't going to change!"
Experts say the higher the turnout on Thursday, the more likely it is that the Yes camp will win.
"Jean-Louis!"
"Yes, M. le Foreign Minister!"
"Get out the Irish vote!"
Fifteen of the EU’s 27 countries have already ratified the treaty, which is supposed to come into effect on January 1 2009. EU officials have watched with anxiety as the No camp has gained momentum, even seizing a lead of 35 per cent to 30 – with 35 per cent undecided – in a TNS MRBI opinion poll published in last Friday’s Irish Times. However, in a weekend poll in the Sunday Business Post, the Yes camp was ahead by 42 to 39 per cent with 19 per cent undecided.
"I just can't decide, Mike!"
"Well, have another drink! That always helps me!"
A No would batter the self-confidence of EuropeÂ’s political elites and raise questions in the rest of the world about EuropeÂ’s ability to manage its affairs coherently and project power around the globe.
Mr Kouchner, speaking on French radio, described the neck-and-neck contest as “a difficult situation, which we’re looking at with hope – that’s necessary, for sure – but also with a bit of incomprehension, which would turn into gigantic incomprehension” in the event of a victory for No campaigners.

Nerves are becoming strained in Paris because a No vote would transform France’s forthcoming EU presidency – from July 1 to December 31 – into a “crisis presidency” whose main task would be to salvage the Lisbon treaty. A No would batter the self-confidence of Europe’s political elites and raise questions in the rest of the world about Europe’s ability to manage its affairs coherently and project power around the globe.

Diplomats say that, if the Irish reject the treaty, France would insist that the ratification process must continue in other countries, especially the UK. But the risk is that an Irish No would put immense pressure on Gordon Brown, the politically weakened prime minister, to hold a referendum in the UK – which would probably produce a No result – or to declare the Lisbon treaty finished. An Irish rejection would also complicate ratification in the Czech Republic, where parliamentarians have sent the treaty to the constitutional court for scrutiny.

The treaty is the fruit of a decade-long effort to reshape EU institutions after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe and the incorporation of 12 member states between 2004 and 2007. It replaces a constitutional treaty rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005, but it contains 80 to 90 per cent of the changes included in the first document.

Mr Barroso says the EU “has no plan B” if the Irish vote No but in truth the Lisbon treaty is already a kind of plan B. However, Charlie McCreevy, the EU’s Irish commissioner for the internal market, quips that it would be more accurate to say “there is no plan C”.
Posted by:tipper

#18  The EU has turned into a colossal financial enema for Europe.

There are a number of countries in the EU trying to figure out how to get out of this mess. Odd the two laziest countries in Europe, France and Belgium have most of the ruling positions.

The EU will unravel like a cheap sweater in the next five years.
Posted by: SOG475   2008-06-10 22:19  

#17  "Notice how they totally miss the entire concept of democracy, people voting for what they want. In the Euro view, there's our way and there's the wrong way, and you little people had better let us decide what's best for you."

EUros are, for all their pretense of "democracy," still subjects, grom.

Not citizens, subjects - their rulers just don't wear crowns in public anymore.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-06-10 20:17  

#16  And funny how the Dutch and Irish (2 major influences on America) are the ones putting it to a vote of the people, who are rejecting the elites.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-06-10 19:42  

#15  " it is best not to lecture the Irish on how to vote"

Unless you want them to vote opposite of your lecture. The Irish are known for being a stiff necked lot.

And more power to them if they want to reject the chains of the EU.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-06-10 19:41  

#14  If Europe looks at Ireland with "gigantic incomprehension," I'd say the luck of the Irish is still holding.
Posted by: JohnQC   2008-06-10 16:52  

#13  EuropeÂ’s ability to manage its affairs coherently and project power around the globe.

Did anyone else find this self delusional to the point of absurdity? Even if Europe had the military power to project, they have neither the means or the will to do it.
Posted by: RWV   2008-06-10 14:17  

#12  What ws the name of that book, "How the Irish saved Western Civilization." Hopefully they are working on a sequel over there now.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-06-10 13:44  

#11  They will force you to keep voting until they get the result they want.

If the Irish get lucky, the rest of the EU will hire some DNC lawyers with Florida recount experience....
Posted by: BigEd   2008-06-10 12:57  

#10  The French voters already rejected the EU constitution but that didn't even slow down the French government.
Posted by: ed   2008-06-10 12:55  

#9  Thats right - even worse. Thanks for the reminder AlanC.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-06-10 12:48  

#8  "Is this the same France who had to do multiple votes in order force a membership?"

Um, no. This is the France that after losing the referendum didn't allow the peasantry to vote on the next one. The pols did it all by themselves.

In fact I think that Ireland is the only country that is allowing the people to vote. The Dutch also turned it down the first time. They weren't given a second chance either.

The EU is the temporary arrangement before the Caliphate takes over for good.
Posted by: AlanC   2008-06-10 12:45  

#7  Ireland: "Piss off, ye bloody frogs!"
Posted by: mojo   2008-06-10 12:36  

#6  . . . batter the self-confidence of EuropeÂ’s political elites . . .

Sounds good to me. I like my elites lightly battered with a nice tempura, deep-fried, and served with a soy ginger dipping sauce.

Beats hell out of letting them actually run anything, doncha think?
Posted by: Mike   2008-06-10 12:22  

#5  I am reminded of the book, "How the Irish saved civilization".
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-06-10 12:21  

#4  Notice how they totally miss the entire concept of democracy, people voting for what they want. In the Euro view, there's our way and there's the wrong way, and you little people had better let us decide what's best for you.
Posted by: gromky   2008-06-10 11:34  

#3  Mr. Kouchner is upset the Irish may not remain "bought"
Posted by: Frank G   2008-06-10 11:25  

#2  Is this the same France who had to do multiple votes in order force a membership?

Go Ireland, F*'em and save european culture again.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-06-10 11:21  

#1  They will force you to keep voting until they get the result they want.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-06-10 11:16  

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