You have commented 339 times on Rantburg.

Your Name
Your e-mail (optional)
Website (optional)
My Original Nic        Pic-a-Nic        Sorry. Comments have been closed on this article.
Bold Italic Underline Strike Bullet Blockquote Small Big Link Squish Foto Photo
Iraq
Battle to retake Basra was 'complete disaster'
2008-04-20
Senior sources have said that the mission was undermined by incompetent officers and untrained troops who were sent into battle with inadequate supplies of food, water and ammunition. They said the failure had delayed the British withdrawal by "many months".
There's the message right there ...
Their comments came as the Iraqi army, this time directly supported by American and British forces, began a second operation in Basra in an attempt to find insurgent weapons caches. The push, which was met with fierce resistance, took place in the Hayania district of the city, where there were clashes two weeks ago.

In the first operation, it is understood that one Iraqi brigade became a "busted flush" after 1,200 of its soldiers deserted.
That was the green unit that wasn't ready for battle ...
At one stage during the battle, stories were circulating at the British headquarters that Iraqi troops were demanding food and water from coalition forces at gunpoint. "It was an unmitigated disaster at every level," an officer said.
Story turned out to be false but that doesn't matter to the Telegraph ...
Gen Mohan Furayji, the Iraqi commander who was in charge of troops during the operation, was described by a senior British staff officer as a "dangerous lunatic" who "ignored" advice.

The British officer, who is based at the coalition headquarters at Basra Air Station, said that the decision to allow Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister of Iraq, to run the operation had been a "disaster which felt as though an amateur was in charge".
Hasn't the lib'ral left been demanding that the Iraqis take care of their own country? Maliki decided on the operation and the IA ran it. Wasn't a complete success, and it exposed problems with a number of their military units. Now then, a smart military goes back and figures out what they did wrong, and then they fix it. We'll see how smart the IA is in the coming weeks.
More than 15,000 Iraqi troops were ordered to seize control of the city last month following an uprising by the Mehdi Army, the powerful militia group which is largely trained and financed by Iran. However, the operation ended in a stalemate, with the Iraqi government agreeing to a ceasefire.
Not really. Can't you guys even report the news?
Criticism of Britain's involvement in Basra resurfaced last week during Gordon Brown's visit to America. The New York Times reported, incorrectly, that British troops were refusing to help the Iraqi army, which the newspaper said was "deeply embarrassing for Britain".
You can always count on the NYT to get it wrong ...
In a devastating critique of the Iraqi military, British commanders have disclosed that "chaos ruled" the operation to retake Basra.
Chaos rules most large operations, particularly if the units and commanders are inexperienced.
One officer said the Iraqi army's 14th Division had only 26 per cent of the equipment necessary to take part in combat operations. He said: "There were literally thousands of troops arriving in Basra from all over Iraq. But they had no idea why they were there or what they were supposed to do. It was madness and to cap it all they had insufficient supplies of food, water and ammunition.

"One of the newly formed brigades was ordered into battle and suffered around 1,200 desertions within the first couple of hours - it was painful to watch.

"They had to be pulled out because they were a busted flush. The Iraqi police were next to useless. There were supposed to be 1,300 ready to deploy into the city, but they refused to do so. The situation deteriorated to the extent where we [the British Army] were forced to stage a major resupply operation in order to stave off disaster.

"The net effect of all of this is that the British Army will be forced to remain here for many months longer."
One of the useful things the operation did was to show the Iraqis the importance of logistics, particuarly when you move large units about. Again, it will be interesting to see if the Iraqis learn from their mistakes.
The Sunday Telegraph has also learnt that British commanders had devised a plan for Gen Mohan. The plan came with the caveat that it should not be started until mid-July because Iraqi troops were not ready. But the officer said that the Iraqi general had ignored the advice.

He said that a British liaison team was sent to the Iraqi army headquarters during the battle. "They were greeted by a group of Iraqi generals sitting around a large desk, shouting into their mobiles without a map in sight. Chaos ruled."

Basra was handed back to Iraqi control last year after the Army withdrew from its last military base in the city. The Ministry of Defence had hoped to reduce the number of troops serving in southern Iraq to about 2,000 this spring, but that plan has been shelved and British troops are once again patrolling the city's streets.
Posted by:tipper

#14  Every time a new unit goes into the field it is looney toons and that is not limited to Iraqi army units.
In VN, just about everytime a new division, brigade or regiment came into town they got their noses blooded before they learned life in real combat.
So we had a unit crumble under poor leadership and incomplete training, that is no reason to paint every Iraqi Army unit as incompetent or cowardly. Much like some libs like to paint all whites as racists because of a few, stereotyping an entire army because of an ALLEDGED failure is as racist as anything I have read in a long time.
It strikes me as odd that the MSM wants us out of Iraq but tries to disparage our efforts to make Iraq self sufficient which essentially says we need to stay......or does that mean we cut and run no matter what........most of the libs are cowardly gutless little chickens***s who probably whined and sniveled when they were kids about dodge ball and working up a sweat at badmiton
Posted by: Imperial Sock Puppet   2008-04-20 23:13  

#13  The Iraqis are in the process of delivering, McZoid. Perhaps not as well as certain longer established armies might have done, nor perfectly, but they are certainly meeting the objectives of blooding new units, shaking out those in the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police who, while wearing the uniform and taking the paycheck, are nonetheless unsuited -- for O! so many reasons -- to do so, and winning hearts and minds in a region that has been under the thumbs of gangsters, smugglers and Iran-lovers.
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-04-20 22:28  

#12  Iraqis didn't deliver; write them off.

I have 20,000 IA troops, 15,000 Americans and 800 dead Al-Sadar militia men that would disagree with you. Are they up to western standards? No. Completely overhauling 1600 years of ass-clown behavior and tribal issues will take a long, long time. However, they are improving rapidly and I would be willing to bet that they are more than a match for any Arab force in the ME, with possible exceptions of the Turks. The battle proved that Iran lost the proxy war and is washing their hands of Sadar. Oh they will still try to damage the US as long as they can, but organized resistance will pretty much end since they have no more supporters alive/non-arrested/able to help anymore.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-04-20 22:25  

#11  McZoid - willful suspension of reality? Jeebus
Posted by: Frank G   2008-04-20 21:28  

#10  Iraqis didn't deliver; write them off.

Put your resume in. I'm sure the Pentagon will hire you in a heartbeat.
Posted by: Pappy   2008-04-20 21:05  

#9  Failure is inevitable where hearts-and-minds considerations limit military operations. Wherever you can use tanks against lightly armed terrorists, the enemy can be scattered at will and then mopped up. If rules of engagement prohibit dropping 500 pounders on roadblocks, you give the enemy an open invitation to resist vigorously.

I didn't comment on videos of Iraq soldiers - paid zombies - handing over their weapons to al-Sadrites, because those outrages were not confirmed. They are confirmed.

Who failed? Iraqis didn't deliver; write them off. That country was never anything but a demographic dog's breakfast, with oil fields that Anglo-Americans discovered and developed in either non-populated or peasant populated areas. Muslims can't recognize secular sovereignties; we should reciprocate.
Posted by: McZoid   2008-04-20 20:03  

#8  Retired colonel small talk at the club.

Didn't Commander McBragg have a British accent? "Did I ever tell you about the time I was..."
Posted by: M. Murcek   2008-04-20 09:01  

#7  Basra was a disaster, the reds have Oklahoma and it's fucking tea time people! Move along! Nothing to see here, you twit!
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-04-20 08:25  

#6  Rather breathless isn't it?
Posted by: George Smiley   2008-04-20 08:04  

#5  "The net effect of all of this is that the British Army will be forced to remain here for many months longer."

All part of my plan.
Posted by: Karl Rove   2008-04-20 07:47  

#4  British Army Staff have always blamed the natives. A little racist thing that has worked since the empire to justify themselves. Retired colonel small talk at the club.
Posted by: Skunky Glins 5***   2008-04-20 07:14  

#3  They captured his headquarters yesterday. How disastrous is that?
Posted by: Grunter   2008-04-20 06:40  

#2  If it was a complete disaster I suppose he can explian why it was Sadr not the government who asked for a truce
Posted by: JFM   2008-04-20 06:22  

#1  Battle to retake Basra was 'complete disaster'

and I own a tiny violin....
Posted by: RD   2008-04-20 05:10  

00:00