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| Clinton, Obama focus on faith at forum |
| 2008-04-14 |
| I did manage to watch part of this. At least the part when they weren't showing Campbell Brown's legs. I didn't see any of BHO's performance, but what I saw of Hillary's was strangely fascinating. Sort of like watching a hooker trying to pass herself off as a nun. I especially liked the way she mangled the pronunciation of the word Purim. Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday that the potential for life begins at conception as she and presidential rival Sen. Barack Obama answered questions about faith and religion in both their personal lives and the public discourse. In a forum devoted to an issue rare on the campaign trail, the two White House hopefuls talked about the presence of God in their lives and how often they read the Bible as well as divisive issues such as abortion, abstinence and human rights within the context of faith. The two are reaching out to people of faith in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary on April 22. GOP nominee-in-waiting John McCain did not participate. Clinton was asked whether life begins at conception — which opponents of abortion contend is a reality that makes any termination of a pregnancy the ending of a life. "I believe the potential for life begins at conception," Clinton said. "For me, it is also not only about a potential life. It is about the other lives involved. ... I have concluded, after great, you know, concern and searching my own mind and heart over many years, ... that individuals must be entrusted to make this profound decision, because the alternative would be such an intrusion of government authority that it would be very difficult to sustain in our kind of open society." The New York senator added that abortion should remain legal, safe and rare. The two candidates appeared separately at Messiah College near Harrisburg, Pa., and briefly met as Clinton left the stage and Obama took her place. The moment of pleasantries and handshakes belied days of angry accusations between the two over Obama's comments about bitter voters in small towns. Asked whether life begins at conception, Obama said he didn't know the answer. "This is something that I have not, I think, come to a firm resolution on. I think it's very hard to know what that means, when life begins. Is it when a cell separates? Is it when the soul stirs? ... What I know, as I've said before, is that there is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life and that that has a moral weight to it that we take into consideration when we're having these debates." Clinton is a Methodist. Obama is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where the retired pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, touched off a furor with sermons criticizing the United States. The words of Obama's pastor have dogged the campaign, and the candidate reiterated his condemnation of Wright's remarks but stood by his church. "Pastors are imperfect. Certainly, the membership is imperfect. I, as somebody who is sitting in the pews as a sinner, is imperfect," he said. "And, you know, that doesn't detract from, I think, what the church is supposed to be about, which is to worship God and proclaim the good news." Clinton said she has felt the gift of God in her life and said she makes decisions on tough moral issues such as abortion and the treatment of alleged terrorists after prayer, contemplation and study. "I don't pretend to even believe that I know the answers to a lot of these questions," Clinton said. "I don't." One of the toughest questions she faced was why God allows innocent people to suffer. Clinton said that has been the subject of much debate for generations, and added: "I don't know. I can't wait to ask him." When asked if she thought God wanted her to be president, Clinton quipped, "I could be glib and say, well, we'll find out." She said she doesn't presume anything about God and she thought Abraham Lincoln was right to not act as if God is on our side. "In fact, our mission should be on God's side," Clinton said. |
| Posted by:gorb |
| #7 Why do people buy this "potential life" idea? Things are either dead or alive. Apart from miracles, dead things do not become alive. Biologically you have a live sperm combining with a live egg to form a live human. If a candidate cannot be honest about something so simple, how can they be trusted with anything really complex? |
| Posted by: Donald McConnell 2008-04-14 17:56 |
| #6 Well, Hillary is Satan. I think we all know that and are comfortable in that knowledge. And we've also gotten a peek into Obama's "faith". No thanks... |
| Posted by: tu3031 2008-04-14 16:17 |
| #5 "This is something that I have not, I think, come to a firm resolution on. I think it's very hard to know what that means, when life begins. Is it when a cell separates? Is it when the soul stirs? ... What I know, as I've said before, is that there is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life and that that has a moral weight to it that we take into consideration when we're having these debates." Not quite as good as declaring himself to be pro life but slightly more encouraging than the usual knee jerk response from donks about a "woman's right to chose" with complete disregard for the baby's right to live. Of course, if the "potential" for life begins at conception and "we really don't know" it seems the sensible thing to do would be to err on the side of safety and not commit a mortal sin just because the baby is inconvenient. But never accuse Hildebeast of being sensible. If she has her way your tax dollars will pay for any abortion that any woman wants. |
| Posted by: Abu Uluque 2008-04-14 16:11 |
| #4 She said the old canard that abortion should remain safe legal and RARE. Right, nearly 850,000 in 2003. Rare. Tell me another one, Hillary. |
| Posted by: Omemble Wittlesbach5601 2008-04-14 13:59 |
| #3 I have faith both of them will look very foolish come November. In fact, I hope the whole dhimocrat party will be shattered. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2008-04-14 09:13 |
| #2 "I'm more G*D D*mn pious than you are!" |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2008-04-14 08:28 |
| #1 "I don't pretend to even believe that I know the answers to a lot of these questions" Translation (in her case): "I want to do whatever I want, damn the consequences or morality, and be able to claim ignorance and innocence about my actions at some later date." Her words aren't about deep religious thought. They're about plausible deniability. And I seriously doubt that BHO is any better - probably worse. |
| Posted by: no mo uro 2008-04-14 08:12 |