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Showing Islamic Verses/Rhetoric/Deeds in film is "Anti-Islam"
2008-03-31
If a Dutch lawmaker wanted to create a firestorm by producing an anti-Islamic film designed "to shake off the creeping tyranny of Islamicization," it appears he achieved his goal.

Geert Wilders' 15-minute film, "Fitna," hit the Internet by storm after it was posted online Friday but yanked from the UK-based site, LiveLeak.com, a day later due to security concerns. As of Monday, the film has been put back up on the site. "Fitna" — "Ordeal" in Arabic — features footage of terror strikes such as 9/11, the Madrid train bombings and the murder of Dutch film director Theo van Gogh, mixed with verses from the Koran. It was up long enough for other file-sharing sites to distribute the film to anyone with an Internet connection. Wilders turned to the Internet to release his film after he failed to find a television distributor.

Click here to view 'Fitna' from Sweetness & Light.com (Warning: Graphic).

The film's release has caused a ripple effect of negative responses. On Sunday, Australia's Foreign Minister Stephen Smith called it "highly offensive." "It is an obvious attempt to generate discord between faith communities," Smith said. "I strongly reject the ideas contained in the film and deplore its release."

The European Union issued a statement Saturday saying the film serves no other purpose than to inflame hatred. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also condemned the film saying there is no justification for hate speech or the incitement of violence.

In the Middle East, Iran has summoned the Dutch ambassador to Tehran to discuss the film, Reuters reported. A senior diplomat from Slovenia, which holds the rotating presidency of the European Union, was also called to the ministry in Tehran over Wilders' film.

Jordanian lawmakers are taking more severe diplomatic measures and demanded their government cut ties with the Netherlands. Fifty-three lawmakers in the 110-seat parliament have also called for the government to dismiss the Dutch envoy.

Pakistan's foreign ministry on Friday summoned the ambassador of the Netherlands in Islamabad and lodged a "strong protest", according to AFP. It has stepped up the security of the Dutch consulate and businesses in Karachi fearing protests over the the release of the film.

And in Asia, hundreds of Indonesian students took to the streets Sunday, according to AFP, after a minister called for protests. The students carried posters demanding that authorities shut down websites carrying Wilders' film.

Some observers, however, supported the release of the film. "If Western institutions are not willing to take risks, then our lives as free societies are coming to an end," said Robert Spencer, the director of JihadWatch.org, a website critical of radical Islam.

Wilders, who told FOXNews.com in December that he believes Western culture is "better than the retarded Islamic cultures," contends that 99 percent of the world's intolerance is rooted in the Islamic religion and the Koran. "People who watch the movie will see that the Koran is very much alive today, leading to the destruction of everything we in the Western world stand for, which is respect and tolerance," Wilders, the 41-year-old leader of the right-wing Party for Freedom.

But many say the film manipulates elements and symbols of Islam and is a calculated attempt to offend Muslims. "It's a hatchet job," said Yvonne Haddad, a professor of Muslim-Christian relations at Georgetown University. "In the Koran there are verses that are very accomodating, very open, very pluralistic to other religions. . . . It was not a balanced representation," she said.

Wilders, raised Catholic but long an atheist, said he worked with professors who are experts on the Koran and Islamic culture, professional filmmakers and scriptwriters to complete his film.

Despite their condemnation, the European leaders defended the right to freedom of speech. An EU statement stressed that freedom of speech was "part of our values and traditions," and called on Muslims to react peacefully. Some Muslim leaders have also called for restraint.

Not all were reassured by the affirmation of free speech, and were instead troubled when LiveLeak initially pulled "Fitna" in response to threats. "If the price [for free speech] is ever too high, then thatÂ’s the epitaph for freedom in the West," said Spencer.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#11  No other major religion incites its people to blow themselves up in the midst of innocent crowds. That's not surprising coming from a religion started by a murdering, robbing, raping pedophile. Any Muslim who isn't condemning this stuff publicly is quietly in accord. The people who truly speak for Islam are the bombers and head-choppers; the rest are fellow-travelers.

I think payback is coming, and when it does, it's going to be really rough on them. They'll have no one but themselves to blame, either.
Posted by: Pancho Elmeck8414   2008-03-31 18:28  

#10  It would be interesting to make a film showign the beheadings and such and put peaceful slogans from the koran beside them. Nice juxtaposition, and fairly accurate to Islam.

Fact is a religion is what it's worshipers do. Islam is a violent religion accompanied by those that tacitly support that violence with their silence.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-03-31 18:08  

#9  For cryin' out loud--he film is no big deal after being here in Rantburg for the past several years. Bidness as usual in the fanatical world of jihad . . . I liked the short piece, and people really oughta wake up. When the Moslems say they're going to take over Western society--THEY MEAN IT. 20 years ago they were telling me they were going to destroy the World Trade Center, and had it in their minds that it was some cover or secrect base of of the US govt. I agree with Wilders--they are retarded.
Posted by: ex-lib   2008-03-31 17:32  

#8  Ok, here is what I noticed - these peaceful and toloerant verses and suras are never cited. Because, I couldn't find them - please point them out Yvonne. If it is so accomidating then why are there security concerns?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-03-31 16:44  

#7  Yvonne Haddad grew up in Syria. She knows about muslims, but I would guess she was raised in a Baath household. Her hatred for the west overrides her concerns, if any, about muslims. While she professes to Christianity, I would look to her husband to know what religion she really identifies with. What better revenge than to destroy the west from within and get paid very well doing it.
Posted by: ed   2008-03-31 16:27  

#6  Yvonne works for Georgetown's Alwaleed Center for Educating the Next Generation of Foreign Service Useful Idiots, so my vote is for dishonest/deluded, but mostly dishonest.
Posted by: Seafarious   2008-03-31 16:14  

#5  I see the typical dhimi useful idiots are out in force trying to whitewash Islam again.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-03-31 16:03  

#4  "In the Koran™ there are verses that are very accomodating, very open, very pluralistic to other religions. . . . It was not a balanced representation," she said.

Mhw or an other Koran™-savvy RBer will correct, but as far as I know the "tolerant/spiritual/religious" verses are from the mecca period, and the "intolerant/lawmaking/warmongering" ones from the medina one; and since the Koran™ is not a book as we western understand the word (rather, a support for something to be rote-learned in arabic, as arabic is the language spoken by allan), full of contradiction, with no logical order except the size of verses, muslim scholars had to determine which verse was appliable, and which was not.
And, basically, and this is islam 101, the earlier mecca verses are abrogated and replaced by the later medina ones. So, the "very accomodating, very open, very pluralistic to other religions" simply are not to be used, as allan changed his mind and the core of the Koran™ is those supremacist, bellicose, intolerant verses (plus all the silly stuff about heritage, wordly matters,...) straight from the mouth of a 7th century arab warlord/gangleader.
Either yvonne is naive and doesn't know the subject of her studies (unlikely), or she is just plain dishonest and/or self-deluded.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2008-03-31 15:38  

#3  heh- couldn't help myself, I clicked. Most women covered but one photo of newlyweds with the female EXPOSING her hair. Maybe the purpose is to better educate her on how to be a good wife.
Posted by: Woodrow Slusorong7967   2008-03-31 15:35  

#2  heh, heh - right now you are getting advertising from the "leading Muslim marriage advisors".

Must mean they are reading you.
Posted by: Woodrow Slusorong7967   2008-03-31 15:33  

#1  "It's a hatchet job," said Yvonne Haddad, a professor of Muslim-Christian relations at Georgetown University. "In the Koran there are verses that are very accomodating, very open, very pluralistic to other religions. . . . It was not a balanced representation," she said.

Sure. I mean he doesn't show them celebrating in the streets and passing out candy to the kiddos and all that good stuff. Of course they only do that when one of the chosen ones puts an airplane through a skyscraper or blows up a bus full of Joooos, but, hey, they're a complicated people...
Posted by: tu3031   2008-03-31 15:21  

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