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The Unstudied Art of Interrogation
2008-03-10
Mark Bowden's 'The Dark Art of Interrogation' is still the modern standard for what torture does and doesn't do. Mr. Shane offers a quick review of the problem in the NYT, and given our 'debate' yesterday with the Toronto Troll™, it's a useful article.
By Scott Shane

HOW do you get a terrorist to talk? Despite the questioning of tens of thousands of captives in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last six years, and a high-decibel political battle over torture, experts say there has been little serious research to answer that crucial question.

The Bush administration has yet to fill the void, instead getting enmeshed in a defense of waterboarding — which the Central Intelligence Agency says it has not used in five years but which critics have seized on as a powerful symbol of how not to conduct war. And Congress, for its part, has skipped over the question in passing a bill (knowing that it would be vetoed by President Bush) that bans harsh interrogations but requires the C.I.A. to use only the tactics listed in the Army’s playbook.

Certainly the debate is rich in emotion, with each side claiming the moral heights: You approve torture! YouÂ’re coddling terrorists! But the arguments have been scant on science to back them up.

“We don’t have any idea — other than anecdote or moral philosophy — what really works,” said Benjamin Wittes of the Brookings Institution, author of “Law and the Long War: The Future of Justice in the Age of Terror,” set to be published in June.
Posted by:Steve White

#11  That's because there's no money in interrogation,..

I'm sure tort lawyers are working on that as we post.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-03-10 14:14  

#10  Let's pretend I remembered to close the HTML code for italics after the first sentence, 'k?
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-03-10 13:37  

#9  I'm sure we have done a lot of research on interrogation.

The third "problem" could well be that nobody wanted to give the New York Times reporter any details. And what OldSpook said.
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-03-10 13:28  

#8  To me, there is a BIG problem with revealing exactly which interrogation techniques we are going to use, and which we will not. If the bad guyz know what we are going to do, they can prepare themselves to withstand it. They can just say - "oh, you're the good cop and he's the bad cop." "You're just flattering me to trick me into revealing information." If they don't know what we are going to do, it should be easier to break them.
These are not prisoners of war we are interrogating. They can be coerced into revealing more than their name, rank and serial number.
Posted by: Rambler in California   2008-03-10 12:53  

#7  [Aris Katsaris has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2008-03-10 12:20  

#6  I'm sure we have done a lot of research on interrogation.

One problem with updating the various manuals, policies, etc. might be that the scientifically correct answers may be politically incorrect.

Another problem may be that the science itself is difficult. There aren't that many detainees who are similar enough that we can get a reliable database.
Posted by: mhw   2008-03-10 12:07  

#5  There are long-term interrogation methods, then there are methods one may need in order to extract critical information needed on a timely basis.

For the former, thats what you do with the planners, financiers etc - pump them for data for quite a while to buidl a complete branching picture of the enemy, thier organization and controls.

The latter? thats the proverbial "There's a bomb in the city and its going to go off soon - where is the bomb?" type of scenario.

If we get reliable intel that there is a nuke strike planned and capable for a populated area, then I say skin the bastards if thats what it takes to prevent large scale loss of human life like that.

I'd rather be in the position of saying "sorry we had to do that" than facing a devastated populace with the knowledge that there were things we left on the table that we didn't do that could have prevented it. The morality of the interrogation methods means nothing to the thousands who would otherwise die horrible deaths.

"Well at least we were morally right and didn't torture the guy". Try telling that to the parents who are watching their 3 and 1 year old children skins slough off as they die of the same radiation poisoning that will eventually kill the parent too. Radiation from a dirty bomb that the terr knew about but that we didn't use enough force to extract that knowledge in time.

the Terrs inhumanity have volunatrily removed themselves from the realm of the humane. They chose the rules. They get the consequences.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-03-10 09:44  

#4  The Apaches were quite good at it, especially the women. This is once outsourcing job I can support.
Posted by: ed   2008-03-10 08:49  

#3  If we do need to get information from prisoners, and if waterboarding works (and especially if it is only 'kind of' torture), and if we have not used it in 5 years, then all the public posturing and argument suggests to me that there are other effective ways to get the information now.
If not by the US, then the Israelis or even the Europeans. And of course the Chinese and Russians. Just look at what people will do for a hit of crack or meth; I am sure our pharma-designers could make up something 'interesting.' It's 50 years now since the CIA started fooling with LSD; surely by now they have found ways to manipulate the hallucinations so the user sees that Shia dude float out of the well and tell him to talk, etc.
Posted by: Menhadden Snogum6713   2008-03-10 07:45  

#2  He's wrong in asserting that the US does not invest in research relating to human psychology and effective interrogation techniques.
Posted by: lotp   2008-03-10 07:42  

#1  the government spends billions on spy satellites but almost nothing on studying interrogation. This is true, he said, despite a broad consensus that interrogation might be the best source of information on an elusive, low-tech, stateless foe like Al Qaeda.

That's because there's no money in interrogation, and tons of money to be made from useless satellites.
Posted by: gromky   2008-03-10 04:07  

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