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Former Boomer Subs now carry 154 Ticket to Paradise dispensers
2008-02-22
February 22, 2008: The U.S. Navy has completed the conversion of the last of four Ohio class ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs), to cruise missile submarines (SSGN). Each of these boats now carries 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, and provides space (for living, working and training) for 66 commandos (usually SEALs) and their equipment.

The idea of converting ballistic missile subs, that would have to be scrapped to fulfill disarmament agreements, has been bouncing around since the 1990s. After September 11, 2001, the idea got some traction. The navy submariners love this one, because they lost a lot of their reason for being, with the end of the Cold War. The United States had built a powerful nuclear submarine force during the Cold War, but with the rapid disappearance of the Soviet Navy in the 1990s, there was little reason to keep over a hundred U.S. nuclear subs in commission. These boats are expensive, costing over a billion each to build and over a million dollars a week to operate. The four Ohio class SSBN being converted each have at least twenty years of life left in them. The conversions weren't cheap, each one cost over $400 million.

The idea of a sub, armed with 154 highly accurate cruise missiles, and capable of rapidly traveling under water (ignoring weather, or observation) at a speed of over 1,200 kilometers a day, to a far off hot spot, had great appeal in the post-Cold War world. The ability to carry a large force of commandos as well was also appealing. The Ohio SSGNs can also carry a wide variety of electronic sensors and other data collecting gear. Thus in one sub you have your choice of hammer or scalpel. More capable cruise missiles are in the works as well. Whether or not this multi-billion dollar investment will pay off remains to be seen. But it's certainly a bold move, and the navy already knows that Tomahawks and SEALs work.

Like the SSBNs, the SSGNs will have two crews (each with 159 personnel, not including commandoes), which will switch places in the boat every 3-4 months, flying out (if need be) to wherever the boat is for the swap. The SSGNs will apparently spend most of their time on intelligence collecting missions. As such, it may be a while before you hear any details.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#6  Another application would be to "mine with torpedoes" a large ocean area with something like a combination of a MK-48 torpedo and a mine.

There already is such a device. It's an ASW weapon.
Posted by: Pappy   2008-02-22 21:48  

#5  Subs are such magnificent boats that I hope this encourages the US Navy to reconsider ballistic missile sub decommissioning calendars in favor of diminished mission rebuilds like this.

The Trident, especially, was over-designed with the anticipation of huge computers and missiles, instead of smaller versions of both, so is spacious inside. This means vast area for cargo and equipment instead of the usually cramped quarters on typical submarines.

Right now, the optimum conversion is to conventional cruise missiles; but this is subject to change in the future.

Just off the top of my head, I can imagine a sub carrying perhaps 120 Reaper UAVs. Launched from a sub to provide instant CAS to ground forces, then landing in the friendly rear area for refueling and rearmament. There are lots of situations where you can use CAS that you cannot use Tomahawks.

Years ago it was noted that a fully loaded Trident could still carry so many naval mines that a single boat could, and was able, to mine an area as large as the Chesapeake Bay. Ironically, the US Navy only has a relatively tiny number of naval mines in its arsenal.

Another application would be to "mine with torpedoes" a large ocean area with something like a combination of a MK-48 torpedo and a mine. Sitting idly on the ocean floor until it detected the known sound of an enemy vessel in range, then going active. By doing so, a single sub could put thousands of square miles of ocean off limits to enemy shipping.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-02-22 15:13  

#4  66 SEALS and 154 Tomahawks? There's a lotta countries in the world you could take over with just one of these things.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-02-22 14:46  

#3  154 tickets to paradise... hehehe

Lessee, 154*72=11,088 virgins at 1 per shot. Actual costs for Allan will be higher... but that still is a lot of virgins.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-02-22 14:23  

#2  As such, it may be a while before you hear any details
We may never hear the actual details. Legally,anyway. Although you may read about it in the New York Slimes. Or President Obama may tell everybody after stopping the program.
Posted by: Rambler in California   2008-02-22 14:11  

#1  Its nice to hear a kind word about boomers ;)
Posted by: liberalhawk   2008-02-22 14:06  

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