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Democracy must give way to rule by experts (Liberal Fascism in action)
2008-02-08
"Prometheus" @ Center for Science & Technology Policy Research

Have you ever heard anyone make the argument that we must take a certain course of action because the experts tell us we must? The issue might be the threat of another country or an environmental risk, but increasingly we see appeals to authority used as the basis for arguing for this or that action.

In a new book, David Shearman and Joseph Wayne Smith take the appeal to experts somewhat further and argue that in order to deal with climate change we need to replace liberal democracy with an authoritarianism of scientific expertise. They write in a recent op-ed:

Liberal democracy is sweet and addictive and indeed in the most extreme case, the USA, unbridled individual liberty overwhelms many of the collective needs of the citizens. . .

There must be open minds to look critically at liberal democracy. Reform must involve the adoption of structures to act quickly regardless of some perceived liberties. . .

We are going to have to look how authoritarian decisions based on consensus science can be implemented to contain greenhouse emissions.

On their book page they write:

[T]he authors conclude that an authoritarian form of government is necessary, but this will be governance by experts and not by those who seek power.

Of course it will. After all, we all know that really smart people like PhDs never, ever seek political power, and we also know that no power-hungry politician would ever set himself up as an expert just to get his foot in the door. Power, or the quest for power, never corrupts anyone. Human nature is too sweet, too pure, too noble for that.
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Someone just wrote a book about this phenomenon, if memory serves correctly.


So whenever you hear (or invoke) an argument from expertise (i.e., "the experts tell us that we must ...") ask if we should listen to the experts in just this one case, or if we should turn over all decisions to experts. If just this one case, why this one and not others? If a general prescription, should we do away with democracy in favor of an authoritarianism of expertise?
Posted by:Mike

#23  Saw a video on flexi-fueled cars in Brazil. It turns out that lots of US ones are too. Ones were the models are similar to those in Brazil. Its just that the switches were left off....

So, if he loves flexi-fuel he can just as GM, and Ford how to flip the switch.....

As to a dictatorship of "experts"....NO!
Posted by: 3dc   2008-02-08 23:21  

#22  See, Old Patriot? Thats why our savant prefers to deal with tyrants.
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-02-08 23:14  

#21  I'm sure Betsy and I can persuade him to change his mind (Betsy is a 10-gauge double-barrel shotgun). Leave my liberty and private property alone, or lose your head - literally.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-02-08 21:35  

#20  NOSI.ORG > GEOPOLITICS: THE RISE OF CHINA AND THE FUTURE OF THE WEST - CAN THE LIBERAL SYSTEM SURVIVE?
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-02-08 21:27  

#19  See also MARIANAS BUSINESS JOURNAL > OP-ED - SUPPLY AND DEMAND WILL/MUST ALWAYS RULE THE MARKETS, no matter whom GOP-Dem = -ISM is in charge.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-02-08 20:12  

#18  HMMMMMM, "Communist Capitalism" [Commpitlaism], versus Commie-Socie "Democratic/Popular Centralism-Centrism", etc.; the "US HAS TOO MUCH FREEDOM/DEMOCRACY/LIBERTY" versus PRAVDA's [paraph] "AT LEAST UNDER THE USSR/COMMUNISM, PEOPLE = SOVIET CITIZENS WERE PERMANENTLY POOR BUT OPTIMISTIC".

As said or inferred long ago on the Net, iff one believes that 9-11/WOT > WAR FOR GLOBAL EMPIRE/CONTROL = OWG-NWO, where the US is concerned Amers must ergo believe that Amer will inevitably face an INTERNAL, NATIONAL POINT OF CRISIS-DEBATE , perhaps even SECTARIANISM OR FULL FLEDGED CIVIL WAR, via the "REPUBLIC versus EMPIRE" agendas, most notably ala ancient Rome.
These will be issues which cannot be avoided lest be done to a [worse] national detriment, and which undoubtedly dedic enemies or opponents of America = Free/DemoCapital America will use or manipulate to their own anti-US/anti-USWest advantage and agendums.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-02-08 19:30  

#17  If these guys were serious they'd go to China with a copy of Bob Zubrin's books on Flexi-fuel translated into Chinese. Convince the dictatorship that if they demanded all cars brought into China had to be flexi-fuel it would (a) get the oil monkey off their back (b) stick it to the Japanese who are behind in flexifuel tech. (c) Show how important China is that they can demand things and us foreigners will comply.

Same with India.

Zubrin talks about the US converting and the ripple effect but if China and/or India did so it would have some effect as well and if you are really against global warming and not simply trying to stick it to the US this would be an option.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-02-08 17:34  

#16  So. This individual doesn't think societies made up of the most educated people in the world has the ability to make determinations regarding the weather? Or, maybe this individual knows society can and is trying to find a way to do an end run around the people.
Posted by: www   2008-02-08 16:32  

#15  "Democracy must give way to rule by experts"

Ummmm - NO.

And I'll be glad to explain either letter of that to you, you facist IDIOT.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-02-08 15:23  

#14  And anyone who doesn't agree is not smart enough to understand the problem.
Posted by: danking70   2008-02-08 13:50  

#13  However, DoDo, the Chinese emit less CO2 per capita than the US. Therefore they are more enlightened. (Of course, they have 3 or 4 times the population of the US)
Posted by: Rambler   2008-02-08 13:24  

#12  This guy would have done Orwell proud.

First, the use of language: "perceived liberties"...."consensus science"...."surfeit of democracy ".

Second, he says the following about China:

"China has become, or is just about to become, the worldÂ’s greatest emitter of greenhouse emissions. Its economic growth suggests that it may soon emit as much as the rest of the world put together. Its environment is in a deplorable state, with heavily polluted rivers and drinking water, serious air pollution, both of which have a heavy burden of illness. Pollution and climate change are reducing productive land in the face of an increasing population which is compelled to import some of its foodstuffs."

and then argues that we need a government like the "savvy Chinese rulers" because they are banning plastic bags.



Posted by: DoDo   2008-02-08 13:21  

#11  It's sheer laziness. With a tyrant in place, benevolent or otherwise, our savant merely need persuade one person, who might well be overwhelmed by our savant's knowledge and personal charm. In a democracy, our savant must persuade the multitude, some of whom will actually know more than he on the subject -- and disagree, while the majority will be simply uninterested in the subject, hence not amenable to his point of view.
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-02-08 13:05  

#10  Did anyone here not see this coming?
Posted by: Matt   2008-02-08 12:22  

#9  "Intellects" since Plato have argued about the nobility of 'enlightened rulers' over democracy. Might have something to do with Plato's old teacher, Socrates and some hemlock. Send a case of the '07 vintage to Shearman and Smith.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-02-08 11:01  

#8  Nazi Germany too was run by experts. They were very concerned about the environment, animal welfare, public infrastructure, technological innovation and scientific advances and fantastically efficient at killing people.

/f*ck Godwin's Law
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-02-08 10:58  

#7  From comments:

David Shearman you are a madman.

You are the latest in a long line of obsessives, generally with a scientific background, who have been convinced that a tyrannical government would elevate your bugbear to the number one, indeed, the sole social priority of the nation, over the demands of all other citizens.

That you would choose China as your only evidence for this proposition merely shows how far your feverish obsession with global warming has taken you from sanity.

As someone who has just returned from two years of living in China I can only report to you that the disgustingly polluted air and barren deforested landscape there argue more eloguently than words exactly the opposite case. Liberal Democracy is by far the best system for protecting the environment while dictatorship is the worst.

While the Chinese government may have passed a tokenistic ban on plastic bags it has also been pushing economic development at a breakneck pace and approving scores of carbon-emitting coal-fired power stations.

However, if it pleases you to imagine that a dictatorship would adopt your goals for society (which in your own mind are self-evidently desirable - why can't everybody see.. the fools), instead of exterminating minorities or class enemies, enforcing a state religion, expropriating private wealth to lavish on the rulers, or trying to build the world's tallest building, then by all means keep scribbling.
Posted by: Seafarious   2008-02-08 10:39  

#6  What is astounding is that they could be both so brazen about their knowledge and so ignorant of the origins of our governing structures at the same time. But, perhaps the later explains the former. An argument for more REAL history in undergraduate education.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-02-08 10:36  

#5  Philosopher-Kings front and center.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2008-02-08 10:28  

#4  Your biodegradable paperz, pleeze. Eeetz for der children...
Posted by: The Gaia Gestapo   2008-02-08 10:03  

#3  The same thing happened with the Roman empire too. The senate was replaced by a popular general and he became the state. Same thing happened in Germany too. We must not be swayed by the siren song of an easy life at the expense of our liberty. Once lost, it is nearly impossible to get back and only at a great loss of life.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-02-08 10:00  

#2  Replace DEMOCRACY with a REPUBLIC OF LAWS where the INDIVIDUAL is sovereign.

Somethign we have slowly erorded here in the US with the vox populi trumping the individual.


Posted by: OldSpook   2008-02-08 09:37  

#1  I guess Jackboots fit well under those academic robes. Seeing more proof of it every day.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-02-08 09:35  

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