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Britain
RAF forced to borrow US elint planes
2008-02-03
THE RAF is being forced to borrow American spy planes and paint roundels on them to replace its fleet of Nimrod R1 signals intelligence aircraft. The crews of the US Rivet Joint spy planes masquerading as RAF aircraft will not even be totally British with US personnel expected to take control on some missions. The move, forced by a Ministry of Defence (MoD) cash crisis that rules out the money for a replacement aircraft for the Nimrod R1, has provoked outrage among RAF air crew who say it will mean a major loss of capability.

The MoD said last week a final decision had not yet been taken. But Air Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy, chief of the air staff, briefed air crew during a visit to the Middle-East just before Christmas. “He told the R1 crew that he had brought them an early Christmas present,” one source said. But when he described the plan to use the RC135 Rivet Joint spy planes the response was blunt. It was so unenthusiastic and blunt that several RAF officers were subsequently hauled up before their commander for a dressing-down, the source said.

“I am incandescent with rage that we are even considering ditching what is a world-class, ‘gold standard’, war-winning capability in the name of economy and the dubious claimed benefits of greater interoperability with the USAF,” one insider said.
Posted by:lotp

#16  IRANIAN.WS > GORBACHEV: USA IS TARGETING RUSSIA, NOT IRAN, via US GMD in Czech-Poland; + RIAN > RICE: US MISSLE DEFENSE WILL NOT AFFECT RUSSIA'S MISSLE CAPABILITY.

See RIAN, RENSE, etc for the continuing BOMBER FLIGHT escapades of the RUSSIAN AIR FORCE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-02-03 21:45  

#15  RENSE > 50% OF WEALTHIEST PLANNING TO LEAVE UK.

Is SOCIALIST "GOVT ASSUMPTION OF THE BOTTOM LINE" WORTH LOSS OF LIBERTY + WEALTH???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-02-03 21:41  

#14  Odd air inelts too. Squarish?
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-02-03 16:37  

#13  I see it now, you're right does look distorted.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-02-03 16:36  

#12  Nope RJ, the weird lowered nose bulb just makes the fuselage look particularly large. Trompe l'eoil.
Posted by: remoteman   2008-02-03 15:54  

#11  That's not an ELINT, that's an ICBM hauler. No "Flying Saucer" on top. Bulbous fuselage.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-02-03 13:41  

#10  The Nimrod has to be the ugliest-looking aircraft flying today. Most of it's because the airframe has had bits and pieces added on to make it useful for its current role. That's also one of the major headaches with operating these aircraft - they're a beast to work on. There is usually one at every British airshow in the UK, and frequently at American ones. Like most British warfighting equipment, however, comfort for those that have to operate them is not even a secondary consideration. I think they'll be quite surprised at the COMFORT aboard Rivet Joint aircraft.

As for capability, Rivet Joint is just one of more than a dozen different aircraft and configurations the US uses for intelligence purposes. The British have "put all their eggs in one basket" because they refuse to pay for multiple aircraft for multiple missions. When socialism gobbles up the majority of your tax income, you take shortcuts elsewhere - something we in this country need to seriously remember.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-02-03 13:15  

#9  US Rivet Joint The plane is decent but the name sounds cheap.

Either way, at least they can fly for a few years.

Posted by: Cravith Poodle2527   2008-02-03 13:09  

#8  UK has some excellent UAV research programs.
Posted by: lotp   2008-02-03 13:08  

#7  I bet they are just marking time until they can deploy a robust UAV program. RJs and Nimrods are very expensive to run and puts people in danger.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2008-02-03 12:53  

#6  Maybe the Brits should consider outsourcing the defense of their nation to private contractors. Outsourcing is a common business solution when you do not have the expertise (or motivation) to do it in-house. /me sees this as the wave of the future for small countries. Hell, we are already doing with Blackwater and such.
Posted by: SteveS   2008-02-03 12:24  

#5  a 319 coudl be recondfigured and woudl work pretty well as an ELINT platform. Uprated new 737 would be even better.

Posted by: OldSpook   2008-02-03 12:01  

#4  The Comet's problem was fatigue around the square passenger windows. Cracks developed in the corners and caused decompression failures.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2008-02-03 09:30  

#3  They got the kinks worked out, the Electra based P-3C had a nasty childhood too.
Posted by: Thomas Woof   2008-02-03 08:42  

#2  I had no idea variants of the Comet were still in service.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2008-02-03 08:29  

#1  "Ministry of Defence (MoD) cash crisis that rules out the money for a replacement aircraft "

Nimrods.
Posted by: Albert Snotle2061   2008-02-03 08:22  

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