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Canada Puts US On Torture Watch List
2008-01-17
Omar Khadr's lawyers say they can't understand why Canada is not doing more to help their client in light of new evidence that Ottawa has put the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on a watch list for torture.

Khadr -- a Canadian citizen who was just 15-years-old when he was captured in Afghanistan more than five years ago and taken to Guantanamo -- has claimed that he has been tortured at the prison. Now, CTV News has obtained documents that put Guantanamo Bay on a torture watch list.

Khadr, who was born in Toronto and captured in 2002 after a battle with U.S. forces in which an American soldier died, is accused of war crimes. But his U.S. military lawyer alleges the military court that is trying him violates U.S. and international law.

Lawyer William Kuebler also believes the new documents obtained by CTV contradict Prime Minister Stephen Harper's assurances that Khadr is receiving fair treatment. "Omar has been there for five-and-a-half years, and at some point in the course of Omar Khadr's detention the Canadian government developed the suspicion he was being tortured and abused," William Kuebler told Canada AM. "And yet it has not acted to obtain his release from Guantanamo Bay and protect his rights, unlike every other Western country that has had its nationals detained in Guantanamo Bay."

Kuebler maintains that the suspicions of torture undermine claims that he can get a fair trial from the military commission in Guantanamo Bay. They want him sent back to Canada to face justice here. But the government has said he's charged with serious crimes and they are waiting for the U.S. judicial process to play itself out.

"Omar has certainly been abused, his rights have been violated under international law, and apparently the Canadian government has reason to believe that's true, and yet, they've acted not at all to assist him," Kuebler told CTV News.
I'm waiting for someone, someone, somewhere, to tell me exactly how he's been 'abused'. I'd like X-rays, photographs, and weekly charting of his weight.
Amir Attaran, a University of Ottawa law professor, said the new developments cast doubt on the government's position that Khadr -- the last Westerner remaining under detention in Guantanamo -- is being treated fairly. "Canada has just admitted we believe torture is possible in Guantanamo Bay," Attaran told Canada AM. "That clashes terribly with what Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said, that Mr. Khadr, who is in Guantanamo Bay and was a child at the time he was put there, is being given a appropriate judicial process. Torture is not an appropriate judicial process."
We agree. Now tell us how he's been tortured. Don't just mouth what others have been saying.
He said torture is strictly prohibited by international law, and suggested that the Canadian government's refusal to demand Khadr's release from Guantanamo is purely political. "Out of a desire to appear tough on the war on terror, Mr. Harper has put this set of considerations out the window, and that's not appropriate, we have to obey the law," Attaran said.

Canada's new focus on torture was ordered by the inquiry into Maher Arar's nightmare in Syria. U.S. authorities sent Arar -- a Canadian of Syrian ancestry -- to Syria after he made a brief stopover in New York in 2002. They wrongly accused him of having links to terrorism in large part because of information provided by the RCMP. Arar was sent to a Syrian prison where he was tortured for nearly a year. An inquiry into the Arar affair ordered a new focus on torture, and CTV News has learned that, as part of a "torture awareness workshop," diplomats are now being told where to watch for abuse.

The goal of the workshop was to teach diplomats who visit Canadians in foreign jails how to tell if they've been tortured. It also listed countries and places with greater risks of torture. The list includes Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, and China. But surprisingly, it also included the United States, Guantanamo Bay, and Israel.

It notes specific "U.S. interrogation techniques," which include "forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation." The U.S. has repeatedly denied allegations by international groups that it tortures prisoners captured in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. However, U.S. officials have refused to comment on the Canadian list.
Nudity, isolation and sleep deprivation are not torture. They also aren't fun, and I wouldn't want some female solider ridiculing my nude body. But this isn't torture, and anyone who conflates the two shouldn't be trusted on anything else.
But international observers say they are heartened by the specificity of the Canadian list. Alex Neve of Amnesty International says he is surprised that Canada would risk offending allies by naming countries that potentially torture prisoners. "These are countries where, sadly, the record is clear -- torture and ill treatment happens," said Neve.

But it appears that Ottawa may have had second thoughts about being so explicit. After the documents were released as evidence in a court case relating to Afghan detainees, the government tried to get them back. Sources say that Ottawa apparently wanted to black out sensitive parts that may anger allies.

A war crimes trial has never been held against anyone under the age of 18. International observers have questioned Ottawa's decision not to help Khadr, who many believe is no different than child soldiers victimized in Africa.
Posted by:Anonymoose

#16  And remember, they are accusing Mark Steyn of being racially insensitive to Islamopharts. So this should be no surprise
Posted by: BigEd   2008-01-17 22:46  

#15  I say feed the sharks swimming off Gitmo.

Problem solved.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-01-17 22:06  

#14  I have no problem closing the gates on Gitmo provided, however, the USA is not required to account for the health and well-being, whereabouts, or indeed, even the mere existence of muslims we're said to have or alleged to have taken alive off the field of battle. Until the "civilized world" agrees to those terms, I say keep Gitmo running.
Posted by: Mark Z   2008-01-17 20:05  

#13  It's simulated waterboarding at that. Not even the real thing. Should have skinned them alive and left them on an ant mound.
Posted by: ed   2008-01-17 18:31  

#12  FOTSGreg,
Yep it's three (3). I agree the MSM makes it sound like the number is far higher, but that's because the press never lets the facts get in the way of a good fantasy story.

The actual numbers came out ~1 month ago.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al   2008-01-17 17:27  

#11  Rob Crawford - what's the basis for your statement that all of three people have been waterboarded?

I've been under the (media-enhanced) impression that the number was far higher than three.

Not trying to start an argument here, just have a legitimate question.


Posted by: FOTSGreg   2008-01-17 16:37  

#10  Ok, that's it. Start strip-searching all Canuks at the border, and don't be polite about it.
Posted by: mojo   2008-01-17 14:47  

#9  The legitimate government of Canada understands that it has no legitimacy in interfering in the actions of another sovereign state, other than to express their displeasure with what's being done. This "international law" crap is just a cover to try to destroy the legitimacy of sovereign nations to act in accordance with their individual laws. This POS lawyer knows that, but is still trying to push all the right buttons to get his worthless client off the hook. Both should hang.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-01-17 14:22  

#8  Internbational law? What's that. The only valid law is the one bvoted by elected repesentatives not by Kimmie, The Saudi ticks, the Sudanese slave holders, Bo, Assad, Ghadafi, Poutine and similar.

Posted by: JFM   2008-01-17 12:24  

#7  Let's put Canada on the Freedom Watch as they persecute writers like Mark Steyn.
Posted by: regular joe   2008-01-17 12:00  

#6  Canada needs to grow the hell up.

A total of three people have been waterboarded -- a procedure we also apply to our own servicemen in some sorts of training. In exchange, we've disrupted terrorist plots around the world, saving who knows how many lives.

I think the Canadian people need to stop preening over their "moral superiority" and start asking some questions about their own fundamental rights. Doesn't look like free speech has long to live up there.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2008-01-17 11:33  

#5  Khadr...is that the little shit accused of fragging a medic after his troop was ployed into approaching a gate to give medical aid to the people then got shot down point-blank?

What if there was a new approach - attach electrodes to the outside of the skull to stimulate the pleasure center of the brain and push buttons so they enjoy everything; the dreaded tickle treatment!
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-01-17 11:20  

#4  Should've killed the little fuck when they had the chance.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-01-17 11:12  

#3  Good point TW. I thought Gitmo was a part of Cuba but that we had a long term lease.
Posted by: JohnQC   2008-01-17 11:09  

#2  Guantanamo Bay is a country separate from the U.S.? Curious.
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-01-17 11:04  

#1  Canada should talk, they foisted Celine Dion on us.
Posted by: JohnQC   2008-01-17 10:44  

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