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States Threatened To Comply With Real ID Act
2008-01-12
Millions of air travelers may find going through airport security much more complicated this spring, as the Bush administration heads toward a showdown with state governments over post-Sept. 11 rules for new driver's licenses.

By May, the dispute could leave millions of people unable to use their licenses to board planes, but privacy advocates called that a hollow threat by federal officials.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who was unveiling final details of the REAL ID Act's rules on Friday, said that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the legislation.

Chertoff said that for any state which doesn't seek such a waiver by May, residents of that state will have to use a passport or certain types of federal border-crossing cards if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security. "The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

The plan's chief critic, the American Civil Liberties Union, called Chertoff's deadline a bluff — and urged state governments to call him on it. "Are they really prepared to shut those airports down? Which is what effectively would happen if the residents of those states are going to have to go through secondary scrutiny," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "This is a scare tactic."
It's also the law. But the ACLU doesn't have any criticism for Congress, it seems.
So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID Act's provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.

Maine officials said Friday they were unsure if their own state law even allows them to ask for a waiver. "It certainly seems to be an effort by the federal government to create compliance with REAL ID whether states have an interest in doing so or not," said Don Cookson, spokesman for the Maine secretary of state's office.

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes: The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states.

The Homeland Security Department and other officials say the only way to ensure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics such as the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.
Nah, to do that you'd have to download all the data into a laptop and leave it in a taxi or something. Oh wait ...
Congress passed the REAL ID law in 2005, but the effort has been delayed by opposition from states worried about the cost and civil libertarians upset about what they believe are invasions of privacy.

Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years, over which time the new requirements would gradually be phased in. A key deadline would come in 2011, when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance, and the regulations would not take full effect for all Americans until 2017.

To make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, said Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant card, with the notable exception of those older than 50, Homeland Security officials said. The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

* The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that if someone is rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked if that person tried to con the system again.

* The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

* After Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks. State DMV offices would be required to verify birth certificates; check with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license; and check with the State Department to verify applicants who use passports to get a driver's license.
Posted by:Anonymoose

#14  #12: "Quite a number of countries have a compulsory ID system and they work well - fraud and impersonation are almost non-existent"

Then their citizens (and potential illegals) obviously don't have that good old American ingenuity, phil. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-01-12 22:28  

#13  phil_b: who?
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-01-12 21:06  

#12  Moose, you dead wrong. Quite a number of countries have a compulsory ID system and they work well - fraud and impersonation are almost non-existent and this is without biometric data.

One significant impact is they make life much harder for illegal immigrants.
Posted by: phil_b   2008-01-12 21:03  

#11  Correction Maine has been aggressively importing Sudanese because there's not enough Mainers on welfare already.
Posted by: regular joe   2008-01-12 19:23  

#10  Argue it as you might, even the Soviet Union never developed a way to account for their citizenry.

One of the reasons is that the Party never trusted their own people/scientists to do the computer engineering. Cause it could lead to something like an internet and free communication. See how everyone goes crazy when official records, which for decades were open to the public but in paper form and laborious to dig through, suddenly become available 'on line'. Panic ensues. Technology has erased the technical problem.

We'll get a national id card when the demand is made from the bottom up. A voluntary id which is secure and accepted means of identification at reasonable cost and accessibility will create a natural evolution to adoption and implementation. Having one forced down everyone's throat won't.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-01-12 17:20  

#9  A national ID card scheme would be a disaster for several reasons.

The number one reason is that a LOT of people, both for good reasons and bad, don't want one, would fight it every inch of the way, and would subvert it. If subverted, it would be a national nightmare.

In truth, the Social Security card was *intended* from the get-go to evolve into a national ID card, despite promises to the contrary. From its very inception it was compromised in countless ways.

The assumption of a national ID card is always that it is a direct connection between individual citizens, 350 million of them, and the federal government. That it would somehow make things clearer, or easier. But that is not, and perhaps *cannot* be the case.

In practice, State DMVs are tasked with figuring out how to carry out a national ID. These are perhaps the most corrupt government agency in any State. They are continually scandalized by providing fake IDs by the tens of thousands. This would not change with a national ID.

Argue it as you might, even the Soviet Union never developed a way to account for their citizenry. The onus was always on the cooperative, and the uncooperative found countless ways to evade the system, even when threatened with death.

The second largest group that evades national IDs are the "incompetents", people who are too damn *stupid* to get or keep their papers. This is about 17% of any population. If you give them an ID, they will lose it within a day.

The largest group are intelligent people who don't want the damn things. They will spend years to break the system, to screw things up, to make IDs so unpopular that nobody wants one.

And the bottom line is that national IDs accomplish *nothing* of what they are promised to do. They give no greater security. They do not make or keep people honest. They do not account for citizens who don't want to play, and they cost a bloody fortune.

Compare them to driver's licenses or mandatory insurance required to drive a car. Any guesses what percentage of drivers out there have neither?

"Many (Wisconsin) adults do not have either a drivers license or a photo ID. An estimated 23 percent of persons aged 65 and over do not have a Wisconsin drivers license or a photo ID. The population of elderly persons 65 and older without a drivers license or a state photo ID totals 177,399, and of these 70 percent are women. While racial data was not available on the state population with photo IDs, 91 percent of the stateÂ’s elderly without a Wisconsin drivers license are white. An estimated 98,247 Wisconsin residents ages 35 through 64 also do not have either a drivers license or a photo ID."
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-01-12 17:09  

#8  A friend in Texas reports around 95% illegals(Probably wildly exaggerated) and most people speak Spanish (Believe that one)

Maybe Mexico is trying to Re-take THEIR territory? Hmmm?
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-01-12 16:47  

#7  A national ID card is needed. This sounds like a good way to ease into it. Why hasn't anyone dismantled the bottom feeders in ACLU ? Way past time for them to be gone, gone, gone.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2907   2008-01-12 16:24  

#6  Maybe lobster will be cheaper :-)
Posted by: Super Hose   2008-01-12 15:50  

#5   If Hawaii NH and Maine are magnets for illegals,then the attraction must be extremely weak. Maine and New Hampshire were both pretty white bread last time I visited.

Yeah, SuperHose. New Hampshire, unlike Arkansas, probably doesn't have that many illegals. All those pasty, white liberals don't even know what an illegal alien looks like which is why they were willing to vote for an idiot like McCain. Just wait, though, if McCain and the ACLU have their way they'll find out soon enough.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2008-01-12 15:48  

#4  This has got to be real bureaucratic just to be bureaucratic doesn't it. We already have a passport system for travel into another country. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a passport-lite[tm] for return into the US from countries that don't require a passport to enter, set up in the same voluntary manner that the existing passport is. It can be administered by the feds without having to wait upon the states. And since it is a 'Real ID'[tm] it can used for other authentication purposes internally to the US to comply with federal requirements [banking, voting, etc]. BTW, the feds have had one for decades in the form of military identity cards [along with very appropriate and harsh penalties for duplicating or selling the suckers]. Shouldn't be too hard to set up a civilian version.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-01-12 15:44  

#3  These people are all in favor of the IRS and Social Security knowing everything there is to know about me and ripping me off on a regular basis. But when it comes to asking people if they really are citizens of this country or if they are here legally they act like it's some kind of threat to their civil rights. OK, fine. You don't want a card? You don't get a job, you don't vote, you don't drive a car, you don't get on an airplane, you don't get educated, you don't get treated at the hospital. In fact, you can FOAD.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2008-01-12 15:37  

#2  If Hawaii NH and Maine are magnets for illegals,then the attraction must be extremely weak. Maine and New Hampshire were both pretty white bread last time I visited.
Posted by: Super Hose   2008-01-12 15:31  

#1  Those 17 states are also magnets for illegals. Any bets the ACLU is really representing the big food processors and slaughterhouses?
Posted by: Clem Omusoling6419   2008-01-12 15:07  

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