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| Mr. Putin's Thanksgiving Gift: F22s intercept Bear H's over Alaska on T-Day |
| 2007-11-27 |
| Posted by:3dc |
| #14 Interesting Thanksgiving. China refuses a carrier into Hong Kong and the Russians make a challenge on Alaskan airspace. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2007-11-27 23:35 |
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| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2007-11-27 21:44 |
| #12 This was an interesting quote from the article, "which were detected at long range by radar and intelligence systems". Particularly the part about intelligence systems. I wonder if that refers to the Bear's pilot or co-pilot? |
| Posted by: Glung McGurque2454 2007-11-27 18:47 |
| #11 Jack, if I had a photograph, I could probably tell you. Without it, who knows? These aircraft never actually ENTERED US airspace, but probably did enter the the FIR (fighter intercept region) or ADIZ (air defense identification zone). The BEAR H can carry two 1500-mile-range standoff attack missiles, plus at least two internal weapons. They have specific radar and electronic signatures that can be picked up by ground stations. I doubt they were mis-identified. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2007-11-27 15:34 |
| #10 If they were in US airspace they should have been shot down without warning. |
| Posted by: Laurence of the Rats 2007-11-27 15:32 |
| #9 And why were they allowed to exit our airspace without landing for inspection, under threat of shoot-down? |
| Posted by: mojo 2007-11-27 15:17 |
| #8 Did we make any counter-threat passes at them to judge speed and approach tactics while they were there like sitting ducks? During Cold War there were mutually agreed rules aimed at avoiding shooting incidents between aircrafts of both sides. Like the bomber never pointing her defensive armament towards the fighter and the latter never illuminating the bomber with her fire-control radar. My guess is that making the kind of passes you suggest would have been another big No-No. |
| Posted by: JFM 2007-11-27 11:10 |
| #7 "that stuff being carried internally, who knows? Guessing is just part of the fun! " IIRC during the Cold War, part of the protocol was for the bombers to open the bomb bay doors so the fighter pilots could inspect it. Al |
| Posted by: Frozen Al 2007-11-27 10:46 |
| #6 Some random guesses until someone who actually knows stuff pipes up: 1) external pods and other sensor thingies 2) that stuff being carried internally, who knows? Guessing is just part of the fun! 3) F-22s are what was deployed nearby 4) It is considered mean to harass aircraft in international airspace. Dangerous too. Remember China vs P3 incident? |
| Posted by: SteveS 2007-11-27 10:06 |
| #5 A few observations: 1. Are we sure they were Tu-95 Bomber configurations instead of the Tu-95 Sub Hunter config. 2. Did they seem to carry ordinance - like Nukes? 3. In the September intercept we used F-15's - I wonder if this was a test to see the F-22 intercept capability? 4. Did we make any counter-threat passes at them to judge speed and approach tactics while they were there like sitting ducks? |
| Posted by: Jack is Back! 2007-11-27 09:29 |
| #4 From the article: One of the photographs taken during the intercept reportedly shows the F-22's shadow falling across the fuselage of the Bear H. Couldn't have said it better. That Bear crew had to have been VERY nervous. Mike |
| Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2007-11-27 09:00 |
| #3 I bet those pilots pooped themselves when a F-22 just appears outside their cockpit. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2007-11-27 07:03 |
| #2 Under the F-22 tag link on this article: Under engagement rules, "red air" fighters were required to exit the area and "regenerate" before re-entering the fight. The adversary [F-15] jet did just that; an F-22 pilot apparently thought his opponent was still "dead" and paid for that mistake. Looks like the F-22 pilots' challenge is to decide what not to kill! |
| Posted by: gorb 2007-11-27 02:06 |
| #1 In a sidenote, the Russian MOD said that they knew they were F-22's cuz they couldn't see 'em. |
| Posted by: Almost Anonymous5839 2007-11-27 00:46 |