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Afghanistan
80 Talibs escorted from gene pool at Musa Qala
2007-10-28
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- U.S.-led coalition forces killed about 80 Taliban fighters during a six-hour battle outside a Taliban-controlled town in southern Afghanistan Saturday, the latest in a series of increasingly bloody engagements in the region, officials said.
The mathematical side of me says that makes about one dead for every 3.5 minutes of fighting or so.
Also Saturday, suicide bomber wearing an Afghan security uniform detonated his explosives at the entrance to a combined U.S.-Afghan base in the east of the country, killing four Afghan soldiers and a civilian, officials said.

The battle near Musa Qala in Helmand province -- the world's largest poppy growing region -- is at least the fifth major fight in the area since September 1. The five battles have killed more than 250 Taliban fighters, a possible sign that U.S. or British forces could be trying to wrest the area back from Taliban militants.
Notice how they like to congregate where opium is grown? Kill all the growers. The sooner the better. I'll bet each grower supports way over a dozen constantly refreshed Taliban. For each grower killed there will be fewer jihadis created than the number of jihadi positions de-funded, and those created jihadis die once. Those funded jihadi positions keep getting refreshed.
The latest fight began when Taliban fighters attacked a combined U.S. coalition and Afghan patrol with rockets and gunfire, prompting the combined force to call in attack aircraft, which resulted in "almost seven dozen Taliban fighters killed," the U.S.-led coalition said in a statement early Sunday.
It's easier to convert "scores of enemy dead" than "dozens of enemy dead" to the actual number, but I have a feeling there's some guy in the army who can't wait until he gets to say "coalition forces killed a gross Taliban today!"
The coalition said that four bombs were dropped on a trench line filled with Taliban fighters, resulting in most of the deaths.
Ooh, the visceral side of me says that's a whole lotta dead bad guys, and I can't wait for the video to show up on youtube!
Taliban militants overran Musa Qala in February, four months after British troops left the town following a contentious peace agreement that handed over security responsibilities to Afghan elders. Musa Qala has been in control of Taliban fighters ever since.
If this is what the Taliban call being in control, then that's OK with me!
Situated in the north of Helmand, Musa Qala and the region around it have been the front line of the bloodiest fighting this year. It is also the heartland of Afghanistan's illicit opium poppy farms.
Maybe get rid of all the scattered poppy fields and you'll see them congregate on the major fields.
Violence in Afghanistan this year has been the deadliest since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. More than 5,200 people have died this year due to the insurgency, according to an Associated Press count based on figures from Afghan and Western officials.

The suicide bomber walked up to a security gate for Afghan soldiers outside Forward Operating Base Bermel in the eastern province of Paktika, near the border with Pakistan, NATO's International Security Assistance Force said. Four Afghan soldiers and a civilian were killed and six Afghans were wounded, NATO's International Security Assistance Force said. No Americans were hurt.
That's going to make him popular with the home team.
It was not immediately clear if the bomber had been trying to gain entry to the base.
Well, not to some reporter-types anyway, I suppose.
Taliban insurgents have set off more than 100 suicide blasts this year, a record pace.
Well, popcorn pops faster and faster right up until almost the end, too, and that's how you know it's about finished.
Elsewhere, Taliban militants killed three Afghan police who had been trying to prevent them from carrying out a kidnapping, said Helmand provincial police chief Mohammad Hussein Andiwal. The militants successfully kidnapped an Afghan man during the gunbattle, he said.

Australia's prime minister, meanwhile, said more NATO powers must directly engage the Taliban to help ease the burden on Australia, the United States, Britain, Canada and the Netherlands, which all have troops in the dangerous southern and central parts of Afghanistan.

Germany, Italy, France and Spain have troops in the relatively safer northern sections, a fact that is causing a rift within NATO. Australian Prime Minister John Howard said those countries need to help ease the burden on countries operating in the south. "Some of the other countries have lots of troops in Afghanistan, but they're not in some of the areas that are experiencing the heaviest fighting," he said.
Imagine that.
The governments of the Netherlands and Canada, in particular, are coming under domestic pressure to pull out troops because of heavy casualties. "I think the Dutch government has been very courageous to date," Howard said. "It's not for me to comment on Dutch politics, but I do observe that the Dutch are making a great contribution and as are of course the Canadians."
Posted by:gorb

#20  Poppy fields need what was done to Carthage, sow them with salt. Actually some long lasting soil sterilants would be better. I can recommend several. Poppy growing towns; same as Carthage. No stone on another. Talibs; chop off the right hand and blind. Turn loose. A living example is better than a dead marytr.
Posted by: Rich W   2007-10-28 23:08  

#19  Another article
Brig. Gen. Ghulam Muhiddin Ghori, a top Afghan army commander in Helmand, said the foreign fighters are running training camps near Musa Qala to teach militants how to carry out suicide and roadside bomb attacks. But he said no big military operations are being launched to overtake the town itself because of a fear of civilian casualties.

"Afghan and coalition forces have surrounded the Musa Qala district center. We have started negotiations with tribal leaders there to take over Musa Qala from the Taliban," Ghori told The Associated Press. "The tribal leaders are also worried about these Taliban because the foreign fighters — Arabs, Chechens, Baluchs and Uzbeks — they are in Musa Qala."
Posted by: ed   2007-10-28 20:27  

#18  popcorn pops faster and faster right up until almost the end

Is it sweeps week?
Posted by: Slappy   2007-10-28 20:23  

#17  With regard to ed's article, it looks like the Dutch (despite concerns about the Guantanamo Bay facility) are more willing to shoot through civilian shields to get to the bad guys than the Australians are. Interesting.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-10-28 19:38  

#16  excellent point, Ed. Let the Afghan Army attack without air support, better yet, let Karzai lead them
Posted by: Frank G   2007-10-28 19:12  

#15  Karzai is demanding an end to the use of coalition air strikes.

This op seems to be the trigger.

I have no problem with it. Let the Afghans fight the Taliban on the ground. It's counterproductive having 20,000 Americans plus 10,000 other westerners fighting the battles the Afghans should be fighting. It's their asses. Let them save it or die. A few thousand Americans is enough to prevent the Talibs/Pakis from taking power. Limit our role to that.
Posted by: ed   2007-10-28 19:07  

#14  I'm still waiting for the use of napalm on the poppy fields - about halfway through the growing season should do it. Poppies are notoriously hard to kill - my neighbor and I have been trying for ten years now - but napalm does the job. Burns all the way down to the DEEP roots.

I want one of those licenses. Then I'm going to petition the government for an AR-15 and 5000 rounds of ammunition - my due as a member of the "militia".
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-10-28 15:37  

#13  gorb, winning title of the year so far.
Posted by: Icerigger   2007-10-28 14:49  

#12  this guy = Fred, and yes, he does :-)
Posted by: Frank G   2007-10-28 14:31  

#11  Al: Doesn't that happen every day?

Whoever this guy is he apparently lives for the double entendre. ;-)
Posted by: gorb   2007-10-28 14:24  

#10  80 Talibs escorted from gene pool at Musa Qala

This began with a different title but it seems the RB ghosts have changed it to this much better one!

"Step this way, gentlemen, to visit our Halloween House of Horrors. No, you shouldn't have the women and children with you. Pay no attention to the screaming, it's part of the attraction. The grinding sound you hear will make sense in a bit. It's actually the best part!"
Posted by: gorb   2007-10-28 14:22  

#9  "coalition forces killed a gross Taliban today!"

Doesn't that happen every day?

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al   2007-10-28 13:30  

#8  "Some of the other countries have lots of troops in Afghanistan, but they're not in some of the areas that are experiencing the heaviest fighting," he said.

"Cowardy cowardy custard!"
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-10-28 12:10  

#7  Karzai seethes?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2007-10-28 12:07  

#6  This is the exciting conclusion of the Savage Summer Offensive.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-10-28 11:55  

#5  popcorn pops faster and faster right up until almost the end

Funny but true. And often overlooked.

Is this latest die-off still part of the dreaded Taliban Spring Offensive (code name Die Faster)?
Posted by: SteveS   2007-10-28 11:46  

#4  I think his statements are for internal consumption. I'm waiting to see the Afghan national air force get off the ground. So to speak.
Posted by: Fred   2007-10-28 11:22  

#3  More proof that the western style of stand up fighting is vastly more deadly and superior to their 7th century tactics.

Keep up the good work, on both sides! ;)
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-10-28 09:29  

#2  Karzai is demanding an end to the use of coalition air strikes. Air power is the overwhelming reason why battles like this end up the way they do. Are we and Karzai really on the same side, or are his statements just political BS for internal cover?
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-10-28 09:23  

#1  Make that closer to 400 dead in this area in all actions in the last three months.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins   2007-10-28 06:03  

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