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Oklahoma lawmakers object to gift of Qurans, return their copies
2007-10-25
After a colleague claimed the Muslim holy book condones the killing of innocent people, several Oklahoma lawmakers plan to return copies of the Quran to a state panel on diversity. The Governor's Ethnic American Advisory Council gave the books to Oklahoma's 149 senators and representatives.

"Most Oklahomans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology," Representative Rex Duncan said. The Republican expressed his feelings Monday in a letter to colleagues. At least 17 legislators have told the panel they will return the gift.

Marjaneh Seirafi-Pour, chairwoman of the council and a Muslim, denounced Duncan's assessment of Islam. "I know he referred to Islam as an ideology. That is not a fact. It is a religion. It is very peaceful, very inclusive," Seirafi-Pour said.

In Washington, spokesman Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Duncan's statement is "disturbing" and "offensive" to Muslims.
Does that mean they're gonna put out a fatwah on him and have him killed? Or just stage a few weeks worth of riots and carbecues?
Posted by:Fred

#19  Representative Rex Duncan (peace be upon him) was correct...

i·de·ol·o·gy [ahy-dee-ol-uh-jee, id-ee-] –noun, plural -gies. 1. the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
2. such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation.

re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn]
–noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices.
Posted by: Pheagar the Imposter4243   2007-10-25 22:03  

#18  Didn't Mark Twain once replied to somebody along the lines "Thank you for your letter---it proved immensely useful.".
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2007-10-25 21:02  

#17  Crusader - Badanov is an OK citizen as well, IIRC :-)
Posted by: Frank G   2007-10-25 19:10  

#16  #15: "As I understand it, the Southern Baptist Convention (which is headquartered in Oklahoma City) gave expensive editions of the Bible. The Muzzies are attempting to copy this action."

Maybe they should skip giving the book and try copying Christianity instead?

Just a thought....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-10-25 19:02  

#15  They've commissioned similarly elaborate and expensive editions of the holy books of the other key religions in the state, right?

As I understand it, the Southern Baptist Convention (which is headquartered in Oklahoma City) gave expensive editions of the Bible. The Muzzies are attempting to copy this action.
Posted by: Crusader   2007-10-25 17:46  

#14  JFM, no.

In my younger years, I had to go through mandatory Das Kapital. Essentially a waste of time, since I witnessed the real time implementation all around me.

Koran should not be a mandatory reading, but avaiable with comments and disclaimers so people don't fall on some of the honeytraps in it, plus some analytic works like "The Prophet of Doom", bound together in one volume.

Well, maybe you are onto something... I hated reading Das Kapital and with it my hatred for the implementation grew as well. Most people did go through the same route, bare a tiny minority of in-duh-viduals that due to inadequately developed mental and logical faculites that thought it was the best thing after the sliced bread. In fact, I would surmise that far fewer people behind the Iron Curtain (not counting USSR) believed in the commie crap than in he West. Living through it teaches you one or two things. Of course, I wish I did not have to... since the age of 9-10, already saw through it then, despite the environment (my father was a party member--which party you may ask? ... the only one allowed).
Posted by: twobyfour   2007-10-25 16:17  

#13  Actually many of the first resistants and Free French were people who had read Mein Kampf.

I would make Coran reading mandatory (but with comments and disclaimers so people don't fall on some of the honeytraps in it)
Posted by: JFM   2007-10-25 14:39  

#12  I blame the Gideons.
Posted by: Besoeker   2007-10-25 13:56  

#11  They've commissioned similarly elaborate and expensive editions of the holy books of the other key religions in the state, right?
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-10-25 13:53  

#10  The quran is no gift. It is satan's guide to the universe.

"Most Oklahomans Americans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology,"
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-10-25 11:24  

#9  but isn't the touching of the Charmin' by an infidel an offense? so how's about all these lawmakers taking it and then giving it back. it would be unclean and must be destroyed, right?
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-10-25 10:53  

#8  This is a call to Islam.
Thus, rejection or refusal to convert means you are a target for conquering.
Or, come and get it. You goat raping assholes.
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-10-25 10:15  

#7  I live in Oklahoma, and technically speaking they're not "returning" the deathcult's book--instead they've asked not to be provided one. Evidently the one's in question are being printed with an elaborate leather cover that includes the receipient's name engraved upon it.
Posted by: Crusader   2007-10-25 10:12  

#6  It is still very difficult to obtain the Koran in soft, two-ply rolls. But it shouldn't be.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-10-25 09:43  

#5  A proponent of islamic monotheism chairing a Diversity Council. What's not to like? Wonder how much she contributed to the governor's election coffers.
Posted by: ed   2007-10-25 08:22  

#4  After a colleague claimed the Muslim holy book condones the killing of innocent people,

'Claimed'?
Posted by: Raj   2007-10-25 08:05  

#3  Marjaneh Seirafi-Pour, chairwoman of the council and a Muslim, denounced Duncan's assessment of Islam. "I know he referred to Islam as an ideology. That is not a fact. It is a religion. It is very peaceful, very inclusive," Seirafi-Pour said.

Don't like "ideology"? How about let's try "murder cult" instead. It fits the observable reality better, IMO.

Nice to see at least some lawmakers taking a stand against this asinine "all religions are equal" bullshit.
Posted by: Dave D.   2007-10-25 06:47  

#2  Can anyone tell me what is not "disturbing" and "offensive" to Muslims? And Dhimmi is not an answer!
Posted by: Xenophon   2007-10-25 00:08  

#1   is "disturbing" and "offensive" to Muslims.

What a coincidence...
Posted by: badanov   2007-10-25 00:04  

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