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Afghanistan
Taliban say yes to talks with govt
2007-09-11
The Taliban said Monday it was ready for talks with the Afghan government after President Hamid Karzai offered negotiations in a bid to end the rebelsÂ’ nearly six-year bloody insurgency.

Karzai made the offer on Sunday, with the insurgency spiralling to its highest level this year, saying peace could not be achieved without dialogue. “For the sake of national interests ... we are fully ready for talks with the government,” senior Taliban spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP. “Whenever the government formally asks for negotiations, we are ready,” he said.
The movement had a “limited” number of conditions for a meeting, he added without elaborating.
The movement had a “limited” number of conditions for a meeting, he added without elaborating.

Ahmadi said the Taliban could hold talks with the Afghan government as they had with South Korean officials over 21 hostages whom the hardliners freed last month after several meetings. “As we did hold negotiations with the South Korean government, we can hold talks at an even higher level with the government,” he said by telephone from an undisclosed location.

Seoul was criticised for negotiating with “terrorists” to free the aid workers captured mid-July. Two were executed when the Afghan government refused a demand to free Taliban prisoners. Ahmadi said it was not clear if Karzai’s offer was genuine. “Our understanding is the government, which terms the Taliban as terrorists, would not ask for negotiations,” he said.

Karzai has regularly offered talks with the Taliban and there have been rumours that contact has already been made. He denied Sunday that “formal negotiations” were under way with the militants but said he was ready to start such dialogue if he could find the “address for the Taliban.” Ahmadi said: “If they want our address - we’re among the people. If they’re honest for talks, we’re ready for it.”

Asked for a reaction to the Taliban Monday, Karzai’s spokesman Homayun Hamidzada said the “government’s doors are open to anyone who agrees to obey the constitution and other laws of the country to join peace.” Karzai also said Sunday the radical Hizb-i-Islami faction of former prime minister Gulbuddin Hekmatyar who still can't throw a grenade, which is fighting the government and its allies separately from the Taliban, was welcome to join a peace process.

But HekmatyarÂ’s spokesman, Mohammad Haroon Zarghoon, told AFP Monday the factionÂ’s position remained that it would only meet the government if the tens of thousands of international troops in Afghanistan pulled out. KarzaiÂ’s previous suggestions of negotiations have not included the leaders of the intensifying uprising and he and his spokesman did not say if the new offer extended to Hekmatyar or Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar. Both are wanted by the United States.

Karzai set up a reconciliation commission in 2005 in the hope of persuading rebels to put down their weapons. Officials say around 2,000 low-level Taliban and other militants have signed up. The Taliban has in the past two years redoubled its insurgency, which it launched after being removed from government in 2001 for not handing over its Al-Qaeda allies after the September 11 attacks on the United States.

The militants carry out almost daily attacks, with 100 suicide bombings already this year that have killed 183 Afghans and 10 international soldiers, according to the United Nations. There has been a succession of major battles in the south with the international forces backing KarzaiÂ’s government admitting to facing some of their most intense military action in decades.
Posted by:Fred

#8  We manage to deal with tribes all over the southwest.

Many of whom no longer cause the least bit of trouble, or even consume oxygen.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-09-11 19:52  

#7  We manage to deal with tribes all over the southwest. We can do it in the equally inhospitable Afghanistan. Maybe we can teach them how to run cas inos.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-09-11 19:20  

#6  I remember reading a freelance reporter seeing battles between the Taliban and other forces. Someone would get killed on one side or the other and they would call a truce for a hour or so to have the body removed so it could be buried i/a/w Muslim practices. Then they would get going again.

These people are tribal. They make deals. We in the west are interested in Afghanistan because it became a fertile ground for terrorist ops and training. Taking on a social transformation project is a hell of an undertaking (pun intended). What we really want to do is to prevent terrorists like Binny and his ilk from setting up shop here. Karzai is probably the best they have, but we are still dealing with tribal values and hagglers. And we are suprized by the results?
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2007-09-11 19:15  

#5  Yes, because so many are invested in trying to maintain an artificial "balance" at any cost, the final tipping of the apple cart will be precipitous and violent...

Absolutely spot on, M. Murcek! Far too many Western and Muslim leaders alike have so much political capital invested in maintaining this complete and total farce—that coexistence with Islam is possible—whereby the collapse of this tottering fabrication will be exceptionally catastrophic.

The Israeli—Palestinian Road Map is a perfect microcosm of the larger picture in how this world deals with Islam. Constant betrayal, deceit and mass-murder are our rewards for giving Islam even a shred of legitimacy.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-09-11 16:38  

#4  Yes, because so many are invested in trying to maintain an artificial "balance" at any cost, the final tipping of the apple cart will be precipitous and violent...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2007-09-11 16:29  

#3  It's important to remember that karzai is every bit as much the lying little sh*t as the talibunnies.

Which was my very first point.

There are NO indigenous honest brokers in the middle east.

Save Israel. But, yes, I can only wonder how long it will take Western politicians to comprehend that there is no such thing as sincere negotiations with Muslims. This one fact should be all that is required to bias America towards strictly military solutions without any of this nation-building folderol.

Massive application of force is all that can subdue Islam. We will likely expend another several thousand of our soldiers' lives proving this to ourselves in the MME (Muslim Middle East). How many thousands of citizens here at home that will need to die as well remains open to question. At that point, one last massive application of force will finally put and end to this hideous farce for once and all time.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-09-11 16:08  

#2  It's important to remember that karzai is every bit as much the lying little sh*t as the talibunnies. Thre are NO indigenous honest brokers in the middle east. Our soldiers and some of our allies (like the Poles) as the only honest men and women to be found there, and their guns speak truth to bullsh*t...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2007-09-11 10:59  

#1  Karzai made the offer on Sunday, with the insurgency spiralling to its highest level this year, saying peace could not be achieved without dialogue.

Karzai should know better than anyone that there is no such thing as "negotiating" with a Muslim. Moreover, two Muslims negotiating with each other must rank as one of the greatest possible excercises in futility. It is unimaginable how either side can fool itself—or their respective counterpart—into believing that either of them are in ernest.

Asked for a reaction to the Taliban Monday, Karzai’s spokesman Homayun Hamidzada said the “government’s doors are open to anyone who agrees to obey the constitution and other laws of the country to join peace.”

I have little doubt that the Taleban probably are obeying Afghanistan's shari'a tainted constitution. This is exactly what Karzai deserves for allowing such an abortion of justice.

But HekmatyarÂ’s spokesman, Mohammad Haroon Zarghoon, told AFP Monday the factionÂ’s position remained that it would only meet the government if the tens of thousands of international troops in Afghanistan pulled out.

What! No pony? The usual ludicrous Islamic demands. There needs to be a policy put in place of simply killing on the spot anyone who makes these sort of ridiculous requests.

"Release 500 prisoners in exchange for this video ta... [blammo]"

"Withdraw all troops as a precondition for negotia... [kapowie]"

"Destroy all copies of these cartoons or face dire reve... [bangitty bang]"

Posted by: Zenster   2007-09-11 03:31  

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