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Police Make Arrest in Quran Desecrations at Pace University
2007-07-29
A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday on hate-crime charges after he threw a Quran in a toilet at Pace University on two separate occasions, police said.
What part of "freedom of speech" are they having trouble with? Perhaps a competent lawyer can explain it to the local authorities whilst relieving Pace University of somewhere between most and all of its worldly possessions.
Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment, both hate crimes, police said. It was unclear if he was a student at the school. A message left at the Shmulevich home was not immediately returned.
If you can burn a flag you can drown a holy book.
The Islamic holy book was found in a toilet at Pace's lower Manhattan campus by a teacher on Oct. 13. A student discovered another book in a toilet on Nov. 21, police said.
If you can dunk a crucifix in whizz you can flush a Koran.
You'd like to think so but dunking the crucifix is 'art'; it's supposed to make us 'think'.
Muslim activists had called on Pace University to crack down on hate crimes after the incidents.
If you can model a Madonna out of elephant turds you can wipe your bum with a Koran.
As a result, the university said it would offer sensitivity training to its students.
"Sensitivity training" appears to be another word for "indoctrination."
The school was accused by Muslim students of not taking the incident seriously enough at first.
It's difficult to take it seriously at all in a secular state. As a matter of fact, it's against the law to take it seriously.
Pace classified the first desecration of the holy book as an act of vandalism, but university officials later reversed themselves and referred the incident to the New York Police Department's hate crimes unit.
... which should have tossed it after scanning the subject line.
The incidents came amid a spate of vandalism cases with religious or racial overtones at the school. In an earlier incident on Sept. 21, the school reported another copy of the Quran was found in a library toilet, and in October someone scrawled racial slurs on a student's car at the Westchester County satellite campus and on a bathroom wall at the campus in lower Manhattan. Police did not connect Shmulevich to those incidents.
Racial slurs on the guy's car are vandalism. On the bathroom wall they're grafitti.
Treatment of the Quran is a sensitive issue for Muslims, who view the book as a sacred object and mistreating it as an offense against God. The religion teaches that the Quran is the direct word of God.
But the rest of the world is not Muslim. Catholics regard the Madonna and all Christians regard the cross as sacred objects. No one has been prosecuted for disrespect to either in at least 100, maybe 300, years that I've heard of.
In 2005, Newsweek magazine published and later retracted a story claiming U.S. interrogators at a prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, flushed a copy of the holy book down a toilet. The report sparked deadly demonstrations in Afghanistan and protests throughout the Middle East.
This is a function known as "disinformation and hysteria."
Pace University has 14,000 students on its campuses in New York City and Westchester County. Messages left for school administrators and for officials with the New York and national chapters of the Council on American-Islamic Relations were not immediately returned Friday evening. Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the national CAIR office in Washington, D.C., has said the organization receives frequent reports of Quran desecrations in the United States, especially postings on Internet sites, but seldom makes them public. He said CAIR decided to speak out about the Pace incidents because Muslim students are impacted by the creation of what could be viewed as a hostile campus environment.
Posted by:Fred

#11  nobody was hurt, what's the fuss
Posted by: Boss Craising2882   2007-07-29 22:41  

#10  Will Pace be taking BLTs off the menu at the snack bar?
Posted by: Darrell   2007-07-29 18:56  

#9  Holding my breath waiting for the ACLU to weigh in.

Falling over from lack of oxygen.
Posted by: charger   2007-07-29 15:35  

#8  This is infuriating.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-07-29 12:53  

#7  Sensitiity Training eh?

So if someone showed up with a t-shirt with certain Koranic passages written on them would it be ok right?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2007-07-29 10:21  

#6  If the guy had wiped first would it then be free speech?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2007-07-29 10:18  

#5  Rest asured people that if Achmed had tossed abible into the toilet the ACLU, DNC, PFAW, EIEIO, etc. wouls be climbing over each other to defend him. I am not for tossing Korans, Bibles, or Torrahs into the toilet but really they are simply words on a page and if that gets you all worked up then you don't have enough going on.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2007-07-29 09:26  

#4  If they ain't seethin, they ain't breathin...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-07-29 08:25  

#3  Since it was a library book the criminal mischief charge and a small fine would clearly be justified.

Even though I do not condone such intentionally disrespectful and inflammatory actions I believe as a free speech issue this would otherwise have to be legally permissible.

Posted by: Grumenk Philalzabod0723   2007-07-29 07:39  

#2  I understand the "mischief" charge but "aggravated harassment" means nothing more than enforcement of Islamic Sharia prohibitions on blasphemy. The fact that Muslims are angry about legitimate protest, manifests their threat to our institutions. Don't forget that their founder said Jews were born of "apes and pigs." And that Muslims shouldn't take Christians as friends. We shouldn't be taking Muslims as immigrants or be permitting the Saud terrorist entity to fund mosques and Islamic centers.
Posted by: McZoid   2007-07-29 06:16  

#1  The school was accused by Muslim students of not taking the incident seriously enough at first.

Which shows that Pace originally had a few synapses firing.

You'd like to think so but dunking the crucifix is 'art'; it's supposed to make us 'think'.

Oh, it does. It most definitely does. It makes me think that many modern artists are entirely uncontaminated by any sense of esthetics.

On the bathroom wall they're grafitti.

Come to Silicon Valley sometime and I'll happily show you scads of "grafitti" that are plain and simple vandalism. By definition the vast majority of grafitti is vandalism. Some of it exhibits incredible artistic talent but that in no way changes how most taggers view a blank wall the same way any well-fed dog regards a freshly mowed lawn. The only charges that carry any water would relate to the books being university property or introducing a foreign object into the school's toilets.

More than anything, isn't it about time that the Koran becomes recognized as a form of hate speech? If these stupid legally exclusive laws are going to exist, hadn't we better begin making them apply to the most intolerant and hateful cult of all?

Shari'a law is one massive violation of human rights. The time has come not only to enact a legal prohibition of it on those grounds, but to also find that the Koran contains hate speech. While I generally detest any banning of books on sheer principle, in the Koran's case I'm more than willing to make a special exception.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-07-29 01:11  

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