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Germany: Turks to boycott "Integration Summit"
2007-07-11
Upset by the government's recent changes to the immigration law, four leading Turkish groups are boycotting an integration summit Thursday called by Chancellor Angela Merkel. But Berlin says the meeting will go ahead.

A summit meant to ease the lives of Germany's estimated 15 million immigrants hit a major hurdle when four Turkish groups representing a chunk of the foreign population threatened to withdraw from talks this week with Chancellor Angela Merkel's government. The groups, who were part of the first such integration summit held last year, say they feel hurt and discriminated against by the government's recent changes to a 2005 immigration law which tightens restrictions on foreign spouses joining their non-German partners in Germany.
"Oh, Achmed, I'm so hurt! Hold me!"
They also say in the spirit of integration the government should have consulted them before making the changes. The groups are now demanding that the government either revoke the changes to the law or else they will boycott the meeting.
And if that doesn't work ...
"We've concluded that it doesn't make any sense to participate in the summit because the German government hasn't understood the seriousness of our concerns and apparently doesn't want to talk about making possible changes to the immigration law," Kenan Kolat, head of the Turkish Association in Berlin and Brandenburg (TGB), told the online version of Der Spiegel on the eve of the summit.

Helga and Horst, but not Ahmed and Aische?

In addition to raising the minimum age for foreign spouses to 18, Germany wants them in future to learn basic German before they enter the country. The aim is to combat forced marriages believed to be widespread among Germany's Turkish community.

Turks make up the largest group among the country's 6.7 million foreigners. But Turkish groups are irked that the regulation only applies to non-Germans. "If Helga and Horst are allowed to get their partners here why not Ahmed and Aische too?" Kolat said. Speaking at a press conference, Kolat added the law amounted to "ethnic discrimination" and applied "double standards."
Brother, the Turks have written the book on "ethnic discrimination" and applied "double standards" - in Turkey
Always a good idea to point out that you'd be happy to make your immigration laws reciporical to the other guy's. We Americans just want our southern border to be patrolled as well as Mexico enforces its southern border. The Germans want their new citizens to speak German as well as the new immigrants in Turkey speak Turkish.

What's that you say, the Turks don't have any immigration? Like I was just saying, simply ask for reciprocity ...
Kolat also raised doubts about the law's effectiveness in fighting forced marriages. He pointed out that the number of brides being imported from Turkey had fallen in recent years. Those who do come in, Kolat said, tended to be better educated.
"We too believe that every forced marriage is one too much and should be severely punished," he said. "But the law is no means to counter forced marriages."
So what alternative does Herr Kolat offer? (crickets)

Government says summit will go ahead

The integration summit on Thursday is one of a number of measures drawn up by Chancellor Angela Merkel's government to reach out to its large immigrant population amid mounting concerns in Europe about radicalization and home-grown terrorism.
They don't need to 'reach out' to their immigrant population, they need to explain how things work ...
German media regularly reports about the poor school performance of children from immigrant families, conflicts over the wearing of the Islamic headscarf and the building of so-called parallel societies in large cities.
Picked right up on that whole parallel society thing, did they? Have they heard of 'sharia'?
The summit, which brings together representatives from the government, migrant groups and independent experts, plans to introduce a weighty "national integration plan" which analyzes the problems of immigrants and includes some 400 voluntary commitments for states and local governments to promote the integration of foreigners. The plan is a result of a year's work by the various groups that are part of the integration summit.
They don't need a weighty immigration plan, they need a simple immigration plan. They can borrow mine: 1) come ready to work 2) learn our language 3) adapt to our customs 4) don't put your hand out for anything 5) make sure your kids become fully assimilated into our society. Simple, no?
German politicians say the threatened boycott by the Turkish groups should not be allowed to disrupt the work achieved so far. "The summit will take place in any case and there will be no empty chairs," said Maria Böhmer, federal commissioner for integration and immigration issues and a member of Merkel's Christian Democratic Party (CDU). "You don't solve problems by staying away, but only when you speak to each other."
In German.
A "self-boycott by the organizations" will not help the 2.5 million Turks in Germany, Böhmer added.
They're staying away from an infidel-sponsored meeting. No haram, no foul.

"Dream of multiculturalism has failed"

The rift between the Turkish groups and politicians ahead of the summit also reflects a tougher attitude in Germany towards immigrants after decades of politicians refusing to accept its status as an immigrant country.
They had no problem with an 'immigrant' country, they just didn't demand that immigrants had to become German.
Böhmer insisted that the new immigration law was not discriminatory and said integration also meant accepting the values and laws of the country that immigrants came to. "The dream of multiculturalism has failed," she said.
Good morning.
Posted by:mrp

#7  Here's why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

Add "Comparative advantage" and "Division of Labour" and you get the reason any western country could crush every muslim country.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2007-07-11 21:17  

#6  Reciprocity is the foundation of civilisation.

Bravo, BP! Reciprocity is a one-word summation of the golden rule. Reciprocity is the bedrock of the social contract. Islam's refusal to recognize this basic fact excludes it from all further consideration as a player in civilized society.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-07-11 20:42  

#5  Reciprocity is the foundation of civilisation.

It's absence from islam, means islamic countries absence from civilisation.

It's the basis of trade, law, property rights and liberty.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2007-07-11 20:29  

#4  Turks to boycott "Integration Summit"

Sounds like they're assimilatin' jez fine.

Like I was just saying, simply ask for reciprocity ...

This is the key to dealing with all Islamic societies. The West had better begin demanding reciprocity on a number of issues. Freedom of religion should top the list. A Western ban on the practice of Islam needs to hinge on the MME (Muslim Middle East) ending religious intolerance. If Muslims want equal rights in Western countries then they'd damn well better start complying with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that all them signed in order to join the UN where they vote down so many of America's proposals. If Muslims want to squawk about "Islamophobia" then they'd better SHUT THE FUCK UP about genocide against the Jews. If Muslims want a stop to negative portrayals of Islam in the West then they'd better stop printing school textbooks showing Americans and Jews as pigs, dogs and monkeys. Reciprocity, it must become mandatory and no longer remain an option.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-07-11 15:41  

#3  I have no problem at all with the USa being a "Nation of immigrants", even if that's currently used to cover "excesses" to say the least, this is what you are, fine, and good for you. But Europe and european countries are not "Nations of immigrants", period.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-07-11 13:26  

#2  after decades of politicians refusing to accept its status as an immigrant country

Germany an "immigrant country"? Won't go well with the german notion of nationhood... what a bunch of crap, no european country is an "immigrant country", or at least, was, until the past 30 years or so with massive and unprecendented immigration from alien cultures. There basically has been more immigration to France since 1976 than in the last 2000 years total, and this is not an exageration, and I don't recall reading much about pakistani enclaves in the Shakespeare plays I've studied.

Blood & Soil is what they are and have been all along, not that there anything wrong with that, on the contrary. But the french revolution has blurred the lines, changing the notion of Patrie (patria, nationality defined as a "family", Blood & Soil again, much like the german idea of germanhood) into the one of Nation (the Nation as an idea, a common destiny to which anyone can adhere), and blurred citizenship and nationality. And in fact nationalism is a creation of the *left*, a direct heir of the french revolution, like many other harmful "isms".
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-07-11 13:24  

#1  Multiculturalism == Slavery
Slavery->Resentment
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar   2007-07-11 13:02  

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