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| Britain: Car bomb in London's "The Haymarket" would have caused 'carnage' |
| 2007-06-29 |
| A car bomb left in London's West End would have caused "significant injury or loss of life" if it had not been defused by police. The explosive device, consisting of gas cyclinders and nails, was discovered at 2am outside a packed nightclub in The Haymarket, near Piccadilly Circus. Police were alerted to a suspicious silver Mercedes car in the heart of theatreland by ambulance crew who noticed smoke inside it. Scotland Yard's deputy assistant commissioner Peter Clarke said officers inspecting the car found significant quantities of petrol, a number of gas cylinders and containers holding nails inside. Fortunately, specialist officers were able to make the device safe preventing any damage or injury to people or property nearby. Mr Clarke, head of the Yard's counter-terrorism command, said detectives are keeping "an entirely open mind" as to who is responsible but he called on the public to remain vigilant. Whitehall sources said that the police and security services were looking at possible international links - including similarities to car bombs used by insurgents in Iraq. "It is entirely possible. There are various things - it is outside a nightclub, it is a vehicle-borne device, it is close to the anniversary of the July 7 attacks," one source said. Police have removed the car from the scene and are studying CCTV footage for clues. Home Secretary Jacqui Smith chaired a meeting of the government's emergency response committee, Cobra, this morning. "What I think is very important is that the public remain vigilant at all times," she said. "Obviously the police are investigating and I think we should allow them to get on with that without undue speculation." Britain's security service MI5 currently determines the threat level for terrorism in the UK as severe - the second highest in the scale. It has been set as such since August 14 last year and means an attack is "highly likely" with "a continuing high level of threat to the UK". One witness said that door staff at the nightclub Tiger, Tiger alerted police after the car was driven into bins last night and the driver ran off. The witness said the large silver saloon car was being driven "erratically" before the minor crash. The driver was not stopped. Police said it is not yet clear whether the nightclub was targeted. The area, including Piccadilly Underground station, has been cordoned off, causing huge disruption. Police have said it will remain closed for some time. Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the incident reminds us that Britain faces "a serious and continuous threat" and the public "need to be alert" at all times. Jack Straw, who was appointed Justice Secretary yesterday, said ministers had been informed of the incident. He told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme it was "very saddening" but "these things happen". A police source said: "The indications that we have got so far are that it was certainly a big device." But a Westminster source said the device was believed to be relatively small and made of some type of home-made explosive. The source said police carried out a search of other key areas in the capital in the early hours of this morning after the Haymarket incident was discovered. Had it gone off, it might have been as bad, or worse, than the Bali bombing. |
| Posted by:mrp |
| #94 Tw, many cultures share scientic achievement, engineering and cultural advances with the rest of the world. We owe no country for sharing as they owe us nothing for what we share. We also owe them nothing for their choice to exist there. I think we should continue to support them for several reasons, it would be gigantically stupid to abandon them, we should support democracies that are under fire, we should never leave an ally for mere convenience and most importantly, its the right thing to do, but I do not believe that we owe them that support. Israel is in such a bad position that "canary in the coal mine" doesn't do it justice. They are the crew that went into the mine without any chance of a canary existing anywhere. The thing is, they chose it, not us. Again, my problem is not with Israel, it is with the thankless and those that refuse to recognize that actions have consequences. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 23:52 |
| #93 TW -- I'll stand with that good point and that makes it three! |
| Posted by: Sherry 2007-06-29 23:41 |
| #92 A good point is worth making twice, I suppose. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-06-29 23:37 |
| #91 I've noticed that, Mike. You haven't noticed how Israel has interposed her entire population between the Arabs and the West since 1948 either, or the science and technology, archeology and artists, that Israel has shared so freely with the rest of us, however much she is resented. Your tax dollars are a small part of the exchange, my dear. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-06-29 23:35 |
| #90 Their. Their. Good lord, one would think that an American could at least bother himself with learning the English language. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 23:33 |
| #89 #74 I admit, I expected that post to be sinktrapped. Silly me. |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2007-06-29 23:32 |
| #88 Tw, that's an excellent angle on CAIR. I've obviously never given proper consideration to there self defeating nature. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 23:29 |
| #87 Israels financial burden is hers to bare. She chose to put herself there. America did not give them that land, nor did we force them to move there, yet we help bare the financial burden required for her existence. We have for decades and there is no end in sight. I'm not saying that we fund her completely. I realize we fund a relatively small portion. (2.6 billion I believe we give this year) All I ask is that he shows some respect for his financiers. Even after Israels repeated betrayals, we stand by her. Maybe he could take that into consideration. I realize that he is the exception not the norm, but thankless welfare recipients are a phenomenom that we should not tolerate. Be they here or overseas. He would do well to take a critical look at his country. Perhaps he may realize she is no more infallible than any other western nation. I have to specify western because she is far closer to infallible than her neighbors for instance. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 23:25 |
| #86 A small point, in the midst of all the shouting: A great deal of what the various law enforcement agencies are doing, and the armed forces, too, is taking place under the radar and out of our sight. (Mike, on behalf of my darling in-laws who live in Lackawanna, please thank your brother for me.) CAIR, f'r instance, is remarkable for the way it connects to so very many bad guys, and for how adept it is at bringing the bad side of having Muslims in America to the attention of the peepul. The first makes it useful for tracing down and forestalling the bad guys, the second for moving public opinion and awareness. In the almost six years since 9/11, how has the opinion of Canadians changed toward the Muslims in their midst? Of the British toward the Muslims in theirs? How many Americans' are looking carefully at the behaviour of the robed chanters at airports? CAIR has done much to harm its cause, and to help ours. Shoot, how much has Rantburg's traffic grown since then, tracking that growing awareness? There are so many names now that are new to me, so many of Fred's clever anonymizers, that I've lost track of many of you who impressed me with your knowledge and wit. I apologize for that, and hope y'all will forgive my porous memory. This is going to be a long war. Like in Iraq, give the troops time to finish what they started. Once the data base has enough connections, the arrests/expulsions/deaths in the night will accelerate. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-06-29 23:23 |
| #85 AS-- let me be the first to stand up and say,"I'm for winning this war." I'll walk across that line, standing up straight, shoulders back, tummy in (well, at least as far as it will go) head straight, with that perfect angle of the chin forced forward. I'm in for winning! |
| Posted by: Sherry 2007-06-29 23:15 |
| #84 Or does even that small security enhancement make some of the dubious posters on this thread squeamish? In a thread earlier this week I think a couple of us discussed some Kurdish interpreters whose families had suffered violence because they were working for coalition forces. You (and others) may believe that a) all moslems are fanatics and therefore the enemy and b) that any actions to the contrary are just taqqiya, but it's not borne out by how both the enemy acts or how the people, mostly Moslem, the enemy is shooting at act. I've been meaning to ask all of you people, what do you care most about? Winning the war, or losing it in an attempt to carry out your personal animosities? |
| Posted by: Abdominal Snowman 2007-06-29 23:09 |
| #83 Controlling the borders would be a very good first step indeed. Mike, next time you feel the need to share the status of your organs, do feel free not to. You might think what it costs Israel to stand between the Arab world and the rest of us, as once Poland in the east and Roland' Frenchmen in the west stood before their several Mulsim armies, the next time you feel your tax dollars are being stolen. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-06-29 23:07 |
| #82 Mike N. any chance of presenting an email address? It's sometimes nice to have, for a little "side" conversation. Just something to consider. |
| Posted by: Sherry 2007-06-29 23:05 |
| #81 Can we all agree that a good, sound, perfectly legal and humane course of action would be to simply enforce border security for all groups and combine that with a ban on immigration from Muslim-majority countries? Or does even that small security enhancement make some of the dubious posters on this thread squeamish? |
| Posted by: Grumenk Philalzabod0723 2007-06-29 22:59 |
| #80 Be sure to post some simple recipes for us bachelor types :) Please. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 22:59 |
| #79 RD, zero harm, zero foul. I'm a retro kinda guy who isn't interested in having a personal blog. Your question is appropriate but not one of specific interest to me. I have always done my best to return the favor to Rantburg. In fact, I'm on the verge of starting another recipe thread to share all of the non-pork recipes I have in my collection. I've held off due to how badly Fred has had to put up with the recent spam bombardments. RD, please rest assured that I take no offense at your suggestion. I do my best to provide Rantburg with in-depth analysis of special scientific topics where I am able to contribute and am grateful for the chance to participate elsewhere. This is the only site which seems to take the threat of Islamic Terrorism seriously. That means the world to me. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 22:56 |
| #78 I understand you may take offense but really it wasn't intended. |
| Posted by: RD 2007-06-29 22:43 |
| #77 Zen, have you re-considered getting your own blog? Think of it as an satellite blog. You have a super prolific style which which would lend itself to an entire blog. You could still come here and you'd get a ready made group of likely supporters just like many other Rantburgers have done before you. You are aware aren't you that you easily use more bandwidth x 3, than any other Rantburger. You dominate the conversations....often It's not like you'd give up Rantburg, You'd have a chance to really develop topics, separating an event and the players into their historical and constituent parts so you could then draw likely lessons and from current events predict some outcomes. analysis IOW. I recognize that it is not my blog, just a couple of thoughts.. |
| Posted by: RD 2007-06-29 22:41 |
| #76 Now that I'm a little calmer, I'll try to reply. (I was worked up in my previous post) Political correctness, Zen. Its the beginning and end of our problem when it comes to our domestic population. Be honest with me, do you think CAIR would exist without the absurd level of political correctness that prevails today? You yourself point to Bush touting that religion of peace garbage. We both know its pure crap, and so do our self absorbed politicians. Again, removing our current political mentality makes this kind of nonsense go away. Tossing them all in the slammer would certainly bring about an immediate course correction in our next politicians. Without political correctness, the welfare state goes away, removing the magnet for leeches which eliminates the burden on the taxpayer. I realize law enforcement is less than perfect to say the least. I have one story concerning that. Remember that terrorist cell that got yanked out of Buffalo shortly after 9/11? My brother was one of the agents involved in that. He's currently doing counterterrorism in Iraq and will most certainly be doing it here when he returns. Give law enforcement the tools and they will smoke these f@ckers out so fast it'll make your head spin. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 22:39 |
| #75 Let law enforcement find out what these people are saying and doing behind their public front. Mike N., the problem is that law enforcement is doing an incredibly crappy job. If they weren't, I'd have far fewer objections. Point in case, CAIR. Why are they still operating when the anti-CAIR lawsuit defense prevailed to such an exceptional degree? Also note that, even with the political bullshit, law enforcement has done a damn good job since 9/11. Here, I refuse to argue. I do believe that security has improved, but with Bush still spouting the Religion of Peace™ [spit] bullshit, how can we be sure at all? We are in danger. America's Muslims present the vast majority of that danger. I would rather have all of them deported in order to avoid a nuclear terrorist attack than to have even one of them here and risk such an atrocity. Far too many of them dream of such an abortion, so I'd rather see them all gone. Remember, each Islamic family represents something like $100,000 to $300,000 worth of burden upon the American social support system. So, what do we have to lose? I mean this very seriously, what would America suffer if it lost all of its Muslim immigrants and citizens as of tomorrow? I leave you with a paraphrase of .com's "moral authority code comanche" question: What redeeming feature is there to Islam? When someone can come up with an answer more that is than "ZERO", please let me know. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 22:17 |
| #74 #71 feel free to lick the sweat off the back side of my balls as a way to show thanks for the tax dollars I spend to defend your country. If you're good, I'll let you have the piece of gum that I have tucked away in my foreskin. Next time you guys get attacked by a gang, do us all a favor and handle it. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 22:08 |
| #73 Zen, you answered your question in your last response to me. Political correctness is, to some extent, stopping law enforcement from finding out what is happening in these peoples homes and moskkks. Let law enforcement find out what these people are saying and doing behind their public front. Also note that, even with the political bullshit, law enforcement has done a damn good job since 9/11. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 21:59 |
| #72 Zenster, Redwatch needs people like you (you are white, aren't you?). Fill out the application and join Redwatch. Ein volk! |
| Posted by: 8872 2007-06-29 21:57 |
| #71 #50. Ah, one of those. Well, personally, Mike I think anybody over 21 who's a libertarian is a poster boy for eugenics. |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2007-06-29 21:55 |
| #70 Frank, I say we put them in tent cities and feed them ham sandwiches. If they starve to death, so be it. Then they can all bury each other. Whoa, Nellie! Mike N., I hope that you realize just how much we have suddenly come into total agreement. Thank you again for taking the time to clarify instead of the usual crapulence from other camp followers who love nothing more that pissing and moaning at syphillitic levels. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 21:53 |
| #69 #48. I bow before your erudition, Mr N. |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2007-06-29 21:53 |
| #68 C'mon, Frank, be open about it. You're among friends. |
| Posted by: 8872 2007-06-29 21:51 |
| #67 I am willing to say that those who act to impose the caliphate/sharia standard are unsuitable for our society and have no place in western society - they can deport or die. Those who seek to use terror/force/subterfuge to undermine our (superior - no question) western civilization should, at best, be deported in one piece. At worst...multiple shipments. Bloodthirsty enuf for you? Not bloodthirsty at all, Frank. Quite reasonable, really. As is so often the case, we are largely in agreement, despite your protestations. Now, how do you distinguish between the seditious Muslims and the "moderate" Muslims? Face the question squarely. Got an explanation for that taqiyya thingy? |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 21:50 |
| #66 Frank, I say we put them in tent cities and feed them ham sandwiches. If they starve to death, so be it. Then they can all bury each other. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 21:45 |
| #65 racist? No - we dislike ignorant assholes. Strike a bone, 8872? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-06-29 21:44 |
| #64 If you wish to outlaw sharia, I'm with you completely. Thank you, Mike N. I would hope that this is a no brainer. Now, what about those who advocate its installment? As for internment, I would support the internment of Americas political class. Dayum, you're almost ahead of the curve on me with that one. Again, I refer you to Srdja Trifkovic's words: The elite class has every intention of continuing to “fight” the war on terrorism without naming the enemy, without revealing his beliefs, without unmasking his intentions, without offending his accomplices, without expelling his fifth columnists, and without ever daring to win. Their crime can and must be stopped. The founders of the United States overthrew the colonial government for offenses far lighter than those of which the traitor class is guilty. We could solve our problems by following the finest of American traditions (Blood of tyrants and all that) instead of the worst. Where would that leave us with our Muslim traitor population? Without a class of politicians that cares about nothing other than itself running our country, the domestic Islamic terrorism issue wouldn't exist. I think you are wrong on that one. Islamic aggression knows no bounds. These people leave plenty of clues that our laws won't let law enforcement pick up on, or equally bad, won't let them act on. Agreed. Political Correctness is crippling out ability to pursue and detain Islamic traitors. We both want the same thing, we just aggress in different directions. And yes, aggress is not an actual word. (not to my knowledge anyway) I'll close by asking that isn't it wonderful to live in a nation where we can agree to disagree? |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 21:43 |
| #63 I am unwilling to declare a religious group suitable for conversion or genocide. Sorry I don't meet the zen std. I am willing to say that those who act to impose the caliphate/sharia standard are unsuitable for our society and have no place in western society - they can deport or die. Those who seek to use terror/force/subterfuge to undermine our (superior - no question) western civilization should, at best, be deported in one piece. At worst...multiple shipments. Bloodthirsty enuf for you? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-06-29 21:41 |
| #62 Are Americans racist? naaaah |
| Posted by: 8872 2007-06-29 21:40 |
| #61 Are Americans racist? naaaah |
| Posted by: 8872 2007-06-29 21:40 |
| #60 and what, specifically are YOU prepared to do? Ima tired of the bullshit threats, rhetoric and preening. SAY IT I want Islam banned as the massive violation of human rights that it is. What is unclear about this, Frank? Are you unwilling to see such a thing happen? What measures do you advocate in place of the ones I suggest? I'm more than willing to listen. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 21:30 |
| #59 You won't, and I won't support you for that very reason. You take a good point and good perspective into the bullshit zone, and nobody here (including me) will follow you. We (almost all?) know good and (suspected) bad muslims, just as I know good and bad people. To allow your self-fluffing rhetoric without response has been a shame and I won't do it any more. You're called out. I'm here less and less due to work and influences beyond my control (AB and .com's absences as well as... others returning), but you seem to spin further into narcissism-land with your boasts and threats. Grow up....if you can. Back your boasts with action or STFU |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-06-29 21:25 |
| #58 A global war between Islam and everyone else has been AQ's dream since Day One. Everything they've done has been to that end. And giving them their goal is not in Western Civilization's best interest. |
| Posted by: mrp 2007-06-29 21:22 |
| #57 If you wish to outlaw sharia, I'm with you completely. As for internment, I would support the internment of Americas political class. We could solve our problems by following the finest of American traditions (Blood of tyrants and all that) instead of the worst. Without a class of politicians that cares about nothing other than itself running our country, the domestic Islamic terrorism issue wouldn't exist. These people leave plenty of clues that our laws won't let law enforcement pick up on, or equally bad, won't let them act on. We both want the same thing, we just aggress in different directions. And yes, aggress is not an actual word. (not to my knowledge anyway) |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 21:21 |
| #56 Not now, Frank. You won't be able to understand him with all that spittle and seething going on. |
| Posted by: Darrell 2007-06-29 21:18 |
| #55 I am NOT prepared to idly sit by and let a specific class of American citizens and immigrants assault it using technically legal tools in order that they may impose a totally Neandertal code of Islamic law. If we must deny the rights of a traitor class to preserve our precious Constitution, so be it. While we may well have erred on the side of caution with our internment of the WWII Japanese in America, no such mistake presents itself in the case of Muslims. and what, specifically are YOU prepared to do? Ima tired of the bullshit threats, rhetoric and preening. SAY IT |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-06-29 21:13 |
| #54 Yeah, Zenster, we'll put you in charge and you'll send all the Muslims to concentration camps. The final solution. What a fine Nazi you'd make! |
| Posted by: Darrell 2007-06-29 21:12 |
| #53 Is "Internment" the word you're looking for? Yes, and it is one of the few existing functional alternatives to mass deportations. We are faced with some serious decisions about how committed we are to the survival of America. While it may not seem obvious, I cherish our Constitution and hope for the perpetuation of its benevolent rule. I am NOT prepared to idly sit by and let a specific class of American citizens and immigrants assault it using technically legal tools in order that they may impose a totally Neandertal code of Islamic law. If we must deny the rights of a traitor class to preserve our precious Constitution, so be it. While we may well have erred on the side of caution with our internment of the WWII Japanese in America, no such mistake presents itself in the case of Muslims. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 21:05 |
| #52 Many of those people you propose giving the toss to are constitutionally affording this inconvenient thing name Due Process. Taking away constitutional protections such as Due Process in order to avoid the possibility of Sharia Law taking away constitutional protections such as Due Process is more than a little ironic. Which is why I have long advocated using due process to ban shari'a law and, preferrably, Islam as well. Both seek to overthrow America's constitution and thereby intrinsically condone sedition and treason. Once such a ban is in place, those who subscribe to Islam are traitors to the state, which they are already, its just that the West simply has not awoken to this fact as of yet. The framers of our Constitution—however farsighted they indeed were—could not anticipate all contingencies. A splendid example of this is Nazism. While it remains a constitutionally protected form of speech I challenge anyone to show how America would be worse off if it was banned altogether. I would hope that people also take note of how American Nazi groups are finding common ground with Islamic extremists on the basis of mutual support for genocide against the Jews. In similar fashion, it is doubtful in the extreme that America's founding Fathers could possibly have anticipated the emergence of an immigrant class solely dedicated to the destruction of Constitutional law. The monstrous ingratitude and essential enmity of such traitors simply defies reason. I think that the current issue of illegal immigration has made it crystal clear that our laws, their enforcement and the politicians who enact them are not necessarily adequate to the task. It takes no great leap of imagination to arrive at the conclusion that current legislation addressing the presence of Islam, shari'a law and the Muslims who almost unanimously support its ascendancy in America is not up to the task either. Your points are well made, Mike N. But I do not think your suggested measures will serve to adequately protect America from its enemies, both overseas and here at home. The recent signal failures of our foreign and domestic intelligence agencies demonstrate a clear defecit in coping with Islamic jihad. Far too many Muslims maintain either overt or tacit approval of terrorism for the West to continue ignoring this potent threat. I would rather violate the constitutional rights of American Muslims as a whole than allow their perverted doctrine to slip just enough operatives through our open society's net to commit the nuclear atrocities these twisted fucks have nocturnal emissions over. I cherish American Constitutional law and refuse to allow squeamishness over the rights of those who openly avow their allegiance to a doctrine founded upon the destruction of democracy to prevent their ejection. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 20:56 |
| #51 #47 - Is "Internment" the word you're looking for? |
| Posted by: eLarson 2007-06-29 20:43 |
| #50 #47 Zionism? Oh wait... That was something else entirely... Settlements maybe? |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 20:19 |
| #49 Note that to my knowledge, the Japanese in the US weren't deported. Or even interned in a uniform fashion. |
| Posted by: Abdominal Snowman 2007-06-29 20:18 |
| #48 Whatever it was named, it wasn't much more acceptable than the name of the law that the Germans used on the Jews in WWII. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 20:12 |
| #47 #43 What's the name of that law used on Japanese Americans in WWII? |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2007-06-29 19:43 |
| #46 Mike - quit using reason, principle, and American standards, dammit |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-06-29 19:30 |
| #45 USN, Ret: Just wait until they blow up Buckingham Palace. Then KOS will claim the Queen blew it up to support for bombing Iran with the US, because she has other places to stay. |
| Posted by: Charles 2007-06-29 19:24 |
| #44 the euros arent as fortunate as we are, to sit next to a reservoir of hispanic labor Euros have the biggest reservoir of hispanic labor. They have Spain. |
| Posted by: JFM 2007-06-29 18:44 |
| #43 now please be so kind as to explain to all of us how we are supposed to distinguish "good" Muslims from bad Muslims. The ins and outs of the program would best be handled by a group of very well trained individuals that we call the FBI. I'll leave choosing which investigative techniques they use up to them. Many of those people you propose giving the toss to are constitutionally affording this inconvenient thing name Due Process. Taking away constitutional protections such as Due Process in order to avoid the possibility of Sharia Law taking away constitutional protections such as Due Process is more than a little ironic. Anyone advocating this needs to take a serious look at themselves and their totalitarian proposal. If, upon reflection, they still feel this is a good choice, they should consider a civics lesson. Or a passport. Perhaps they would prefer a more totalitarian society, such as the ones where America would be sending its "bad" Muslims, as they clearly do not hold the American ideals of liberty any nearer their souls than our "bad" Muslims do. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 17:56 |
| #42 No doubt the CIA did it ... or was it Cheney's private army? Gotta be one of those .... |
| Posted by: lotp 2007-06-29 17:44 |
| #41 What does "Screw 'Em" say a car filled with propane and nails is? A mobile hardware store?! |
| Posted by: eLarson 2007-06-29 16:53 |
| #40 Right on schedule: the Daily KOS is calling BS on this.... any surprise there? anyone? anyone? |
| Posted by: USN, Ret. 2007-06-29 16:41 |
| #39 With all that business about Salman Rushdie and the Pak minister of whatever saying it justifies suicide bombing, you just have to suspect Paks. Heads up, Mr. Brown. You got lucky this time but they are NOT going to stop trying so there is no point in being PC or namby-pamby. You gotta get tough. |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-06-29 16:34 |
| #38 Exactly my point. And well said, too, by the way. The costs are staggering. And the world is distracted (by the Israel red herring) or is choosing to be blind. And by the way, you left off the costs associated with nonterror, Muslim on Muslim (e.g., Darfur, Afghanistan, etc) violence. Too right, PlanetDan. Even Muslim on Muslim crapulence costs the West big money. Either we adopt a policy of containment or face the fact that massive numbers of Muslims will need to die. There is no way that Western culture can put up with Muslims living in its midst. They are such an intensely retrograde force that there will never be any peace. Not that I'm against expelling Muslims, we just need to try to limit it to the aggitators and leeches. Cool beans, Mike N. Now, please be so kind as to tell all of us exactly how we are supposed to distinguish "good" Muslims from bad Muslims. There's this niggling little thing called taqiyya and it makes such a notion totally impossible. This difficulty is not our fault. Islam grants itself moral and ethical carte blanche to infiltrate and kill Infidels in any way possible and at every opportunity. Muslims will tell any lie necessary and cheat in every way imaginable to press forward with Islamic terrorism and global domination. It's time to demonstrate that "good" Muslims are going to be held responsible for their doctrine's profound shortcomings. Shari'a law and taqiyya are just the iceberg's tip of Islamic crapulence. If "good" Muslims want to continue supporting Islam, either they reform it, kill their jihadist clerics and members or accept the repercussions for participating in a lying, thieving death cult. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 16:15 |
| #37 #30 the euros aren't as fortunate as we are, to sit next to a reservoir of Hispanic labor ADL on the Nation of Aztlan = they Hate Jews, Hate Zionists, the usual bull shit... their Web Site: The Nation of Aztlan La Raza = The Race, a racist anti-"white" movement Mexicana Movement = All Whites are European colonial squatters. The current Pope [Benedict XVI] is a "WHITE SUPREMACIST NAZI POPE" is your need to drag in 'Hispanic labor', [a special interest group if there ever was one] an argument for or against Muslim Immigration Liberal Hawk? Cheap Labor is a payoff to special interests, in America and Europe. Any job a Hispanic will do in America, an American would gladly do if the pay were satisfactory. It's that simple, I'm telling you this from first hand experience; I still work in construction albeit on a reduced scale. So I'm around both illegals and Americans in the Trade in fact my one employee is a good American kid, who I pay above scale. I'm for Legal immigration, at a rate that the immigrant can assimilate and become an American Citizen in Spirit, not just legally. Of course this calls for judgement which is short supply the last time I checked. But back to Muslims, all folks come from a culture. The Hispanic immigrant is most likely a Christian, which culturally is a huge jump on any Muslimes from the gate. We should be very circumspect about allowing Muslims to immigrate to America. IMHO. |
| Posted by: RD 2007-06-29 16:10 |
| #36 Recongregation of Muslim immigrants back in their countries of origin and military containment of those populations in the MME (Muslim Middle East) must begin right away. Fair warning to whomever comes to grab my neighbor. You'll have to go through me. Not that I'm against expelling Muslims, we just need to try to limit it to the aggitators and leeches. |
| Posted by: Mike N. 2007-06-29 15:41 |
| #35 Zen: Exactly my point. And well said, too, by the way. The costs are staggering. And the world is distracted (by the Israel red herring) or is choosing to be blind. And by the way, you left off the costs associated with nonterror, Muslim on Muslim (e.g., Darfur, Afghanistan, etc) violence. |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2007-06-29 15:34 |
| #34 re: #1: i think London's luck will run out this weekend; too many suspicious cars and vehicles showing up to get them all..... |
| Posted by: USN, Ret. 2007-06-29 15:18 |
| #33 Because of Islamic terror, our lives have been significantly disrupted and we spend fortunes on keeping ourselves safe -- monies that could reasonably have been spent on making things better. Yet Israel is boycotted and considered the greatest danger to world peace. Bush is the antichrist. And Islam is the Religion of Peace. What am I missing? Only the fact that—London bomb or no—Islam still needs its collective ass kicked from here to next Tuesday. In an incredibly perverse economic calculus, the money we are spending fighting terrorism could drive the technology that would shift us off of oil dependence. In all of its various manifestations, Islam represents an intolerable burden upon our world. Let's examine the laundry list of Muslim-related issues:
Islam is a massive parasite that is draining this world's financial coffers as it propells itself towards global domination. There will be no end to this vampirism until we dismantle Islam's clerical structure. The militant nature of nearly every Islamic sect obviates the possibility for any peaceful resolution. Likewise, Islam's adamant refusal to reform or modify its doctrine precludes any hope for internal change that would shift it away from terrorism and stagnation. The prospects are bleak and Islam wouldn't have it any other way. Confronted with this stark equation, the time has come to begin a catastrophic dismantling of Islam. With the cost of Islam's mere existence representing the better part of one trillion dollars wasted per year, its continuing predations can no longer be tolerated. Recongregation of Muslim immigrants back in their countries of origin and military containment of those populations in the MME (Muslim Middle East) must begin right away. It is one of the only ways to forestall what will otherwise prove to be an inevitable nuclear war with the MME. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-29 14:46 |
| #32 Muslims are not a labor source. They are a large drain on the host Euro economies. In Britain 35% of muslim households have no working adults. The other muslim households don't generate enough taxes to cover this, let alone the low income benefits of those working and the extra security burdens muslim actions generate. British unemployment is what, 4-5%? Increase the burdens in other higher unemployment or more generous dole Euro nations. |
| Posted by: ed 2007-06-29 14:24 |
| #31 #6 Why 1/2, Excalibur? |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2007-06-29 14:19 |
| #30 #28 the euros arent as fortunate as we are, to sit next to a reservoir of hispanic labor |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2007-06-29 14:04 |
| #29 #26 Muslims Fear Persecution. Film at eleven... Posted by: tu3031 2007-06-29 13:34 I only WISH they were persecuted. Driving them out of the West and back into the cesspits where they originated would do wonders for security in the West, and might even improve the MME. Doubtful, but POSSIBLE... |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2007-06-29 14:02 |
| #28 Muslim immigrants? what Nation needs them? what Nation wants them? what native population wants them? NEXT |
| Posted by: RD 2007-06-29 14:01 |
| #27 There was a news story a few years ago of what looked like a random shooting of a med tech. Cameras caught the perp walking for blocks until he got to the hospital where he worked. the same hospital where the victim worked. I hear the density of camera in the UK is many times that in the US. Chances are they will catch the perp walking into his council flat or mosque. |
| Posted by: ed 2007-06-29 13:56 |
| #26 Muslims Fear Persecution. Film at eleven... |
| Posted by: tu3031 2007-06-29 13:34 |
| #25 Have they released his picture yet? With all the cameras around there they have it already. If they haven't let it out then you just know its because he doesn't look like Nigel from Manchester. |
| Posted by: Laurence of the Rats 2007-06-29 13:32 |
| #24 The link on instapundit is the most plausible. The bomb smoked early and caused a crash. The guy running away will be on 30+ CCTV cameras, also if he phoned on a mobile for help, they'll have that too. |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2007-06-29 12:59 |
| #23 I agree with LH on this. If it is Islamists (it probably is and may even be Rushdie related), there will be plenty of time to make polemical remarks and watch the genuflecting (irony intended) of the Islam apologists (e.g., mayor of London, chief of Islamic outreach, new UN approved Cabinet minister, etc.). |
| Posted by: mhw 2007-06-29 12:57 |
| #22 99% it was radical Islamists 1% it was some IRA breakaway group no ones heard of before, or animal rightsers, or radical enviros, or American militias who got lost on the way to DC, or Tamil Tigers with odd strategic concepts, or the FSB, or a Russian dissident billionaire, or whatever. But until either theres some direct evidence of Islamism involved, OR at least it pans out that there really were multiple bombs planned (which so completely fits AQs MO) it is the better part of valor to avoid saying its Islamism, for now. |
| Posted by: Liberalhawk 2007-06-29 12:34 |
| #21 "Jack Straw, who was appointed Justice Secretary yesterday,..." This is even almost as scary. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-06-29 12:07 |
| #20 I was just listening to Fox News coverage, in which they were going through amazing contortions to agonizingly deny that this might be the work of "Muslim terrorists". Could be Eskimos or Australian aborigines, or maybe SPACE ALIENS or even white, middle class Americans from Kansas who have voted Republican since Lincoln. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2007-06-29 12:04 |
| #19 The attempted bombing in London's Haymarket area came one week before the second anniversary of the July 7 bombings that killed 52 people on London's transportation network. Also Friday, a London jury was expected to hand down a verdict in the case against five young men who were charged with trying to blow up city buses and trains in 2005. |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2007-06-29 11:32 |
| #18 "London will be bombed" message on jihadi chat room. |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2007-06-29 11:31 |
| #17 And This is London says There are also early reports of that police have stopped an open-top bus on Park Lane, central London, according to Sky. The road has been closed while the vehicle is investigated. At the moment there are no suspects who have been identified in connection with the car, said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command. But detectives already have a preliminary description of the vehicle driver who may well have been caught on the large number of CCTV cameras in the street. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-06-29 10:58 |
| #16 I figure Catholics, likely the Gordon Riots will break out shortly. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2007-06-29 10:47 |
| #15 I bet he was homegrown-educated free,healthcare free,family living on benefits(too lazy to work) and how they repay our hospitality/softness????? FUCKING SCUM the lot of them.Start forced deportation now!!!!!or we will be all voting BNP at the next election!!!! |
| Posted by: Paul 2007-06-29 10:46 |
| #14 Oztralian, as of 15:03 London TimeSkyNews says In a new security alert, Park Lane and Oxford Street have been closed to traffic due to suspect vehicles. . |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-06-29 10:38 |
| #13 Let's see. An airplane ride now requires an extra two hours so that each passenger -- from infant to elderly -- may be searched. A virtual army of inspectors were hired to do that search. You can't bring a beverage or hair gel through security. Cities and nations have thousands of people purely dedicated to rooting out terrorists. Terror cells have either been successful, thwarted or are still planning mayhem. Because of Islamic terror, our lives have been significantly disrupted and we spend fortunes on keeping ourselves safe -- monies that could reasonably have been spent on making things better. Yet Israel is boycotted and considered the greatest danger to world peace. Bush is the antichrist. And Islam is the Religion of Peace. What am I missing? |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2007-06-29 10:27 |
| #12 Anyone who has been to London and know their way around will remember that Haymarket leads down to Whitehall & Downing Street via Charing Cross. I believe that was ultimate target and the guy driving lost his nerve, fiddled around with cell phone, and crashed into the skip near the nightclub. He will turn out to homegrown with recent airline ticket stub to Islamabad or Karachi. |
| Posted by: Jack is Back! 2007-06-29 10:03 |
| #11 But things are Different™ now! Gordon Brown is no man's poodle. See? |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2007-06-29 10:01 |
| #10 I just heard on the news over here British Police have cordoned off London's Park Lane to investigate 2nd suspicious car. |
| Posted by: Oztralian 2007-06-29 09:52 |
| #9 Have they found ANOTHER car bomb ?? |
| Posted by: Oztralian 2007-06-29 09:50 |
| #8 Sure, sure, only about 60-75% of muslims in Britain support the radical agenda. They quit doing polls the numbers were so alarming. Now way to spin numbers like those. But by all means, don't take my word for it, here's just one of dozens of articles I could fetch to prove my point. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml |
| Posted by: bigjim-ky 2007-06-29 09:43 |
| #7 In fact, they're not really "Asians", per se, in that it is theoretically possible that they could look almost like your next door neighbor; so everyone should be on the lookout for pasty faced grandmothers, possibly in wheelchairs, who may or may not own more than a single house cat and keep tidy gardens. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2007-06-29 09:30 |
| #6 I blame anyone except Muslims. /Tony Blair, Dhimmis, George Bush, half the Israeli cabinet, etc. etc. |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2007-06-29 09:27 |
| #5 In fact, the people that do this kind of thing aren't really Muslims, they just call themselves Muslims. Anyone who mentions immigration in this context is a direct descendant of Heinrich Himmler. |
| Posted by: Vortigern Phamble5184 2007-06-29 09:14 |
| #4 Has the Labour Party come out with its obligatory statement that Islam is really a religion of peace yet? It's just a tiny minority of extremists, etc. |
| Posted by: Vortigern Phamble5184 2007-06-29 09:12 |
| #3 Was watching the Brit's news conference this morning. Never saw such tip toeing in my life. |
| Posted by: kelly 2007-06-29 09:10 |
| #2 I'm starting to seethe, personally. |
| Posted by: Chuck Simmins 2007-06-29 08:31 |
| #1 I wonder how long the Brits' luck will hold. |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2007-06-29 08:29 |