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Iraq
U.S. military shows serious doubt in Iraq troops
2007-06-27
In blow to Bush, commanders say security forces are unable to hold ground

BAGHDAD - American military commanders now seriously doubt that Iraqi security forces will be able to hold the ground that U.S. troops are fighting to clear — gloomy predictions that strike at the heart of Washington's key strategy to turn the tide in Iraq.

Several senior American officers have warned in recent days that Iraqi soldiers and police are still incapable of maintaining security on their own in the most crucial areas, including Baghdad and the recently reclaimed districts around Baqouba to the north.

Iraqi units are supposed to be moving into position to take the baton from the Pentagon. This was the backbone of the plan President Bush announced in January when he ordered five more U.S. brigades, or about 30,000 soldiers, to Iraq. The goal is to reduce the violence to a level where the Iraqis can cope so that Americans can begin to go home.

But that outcome is looking ever more elusive. The fear is that U.S. troops will pay for territory with their lives — only to have Iraqi forces lose control once the Americans move on.

Unless Iraqis can step up, the United States will face tough choices in months ahead as pressure mounts in the Democratic-controlled Congress to draw down the nearly 160,000-strong U.S. force.

Iraqi forces may be able to handle security in the Kurdish north and parts of the Shiite south. But that would face huge challenges in Baghdad and surrounding provinces where Sunni insurgents are deeply entrenched. The Americans then would face the dilemma of maintaining substantial forces in Iraq for years — perhaps a politically untenable option — or risk the turmoil spreading to other parts of the Middle East.

"The challenge now is: How do you hold onto the terrain you've cleared?" said Brig. Gen. Mick Bednarek, the operations chief of the current offensive in Baqouba, where Sunni insurgents have taken root in recent months. He said this week that U.S. forces have control of much of Baqouba.

"You have to do that shoulder-to-shoulder with Iraqi security forces. And they're not quite up to the job yet," Bednarek said. 'We can't stay here forever'

To the south, Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch says he's mapped out plans to stem the flow of roadside bombs into Baghdad from the outskirts of the capital.

But the key, again, is whether Iraqis can do their part.

"The issue is we can't stay here forever and there's got to be a persistent presence and that's got to be Iraqi security forces," Lynch said. "And that's always our biggest concern."

Lynch said there were large portions of his area "where there are no Iraqi security forces at all" and so "the enemy fills the void."

All that sounds quite different from the assurances Bush gave in January — that Iraqi forces would succeed this time — when he announced the U.S. buildup.

"In earlier operations, Iraqi and American forces cleared many neighborhoods of terrorists and insurgents, but when our forces moved on to other targets, the killers returned," Bush said. "This time, we'll have the force levels we need to hold the areas that have been cleared."


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Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#12  I wouldn't compare the Iraqis to the Koreans or Vietnamese; entirely different cultures and standards when it comes to martial prowess. Plus, as others mentioned, proficiency often depends on region and local commanders, tribal and otherwise. Sad but true. We can only do so much. Some IA units will be inherently better than others. Training a competent non-corrupt professional military organization will take years. It's gonna take years just to re-program their NCOs and Officers.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2007-06-27 19:46  

#11  Charge! Flank Speed and don't fire till you see the whites! Darn those torpedoes, they're s0000 cute, scalp 'em! Then bury the torpedo in a pigskin and drop 'em over Mekka! Wit a MOAB!
Posted by: Shipman   2007-06-27 19:09  

#10  USN, Ret: I wouldn't be too pessimistic. Compare the Diyala IA with a green crew on a shakedown cruise, where to the old hands it looks like a total cluster drill while the ship is falling apart around them.

But in this case, the old crew is on its third or fourth shakedown with green crews, so they expect it to look like a mess, and know how to get things ship shape with all due speed.

(Ground pounders should not try to use naval analogies. I bet your teeth clenched at least once reading the above.)
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-06-27 18:18  

#9  There's some interesting spin going on recently. The 'surge' really is just STARTING. It took until a week or two ago to get the full complement of troops and equipment in theater.
Posted by: lotp   2007-06-27 17:51  

#8  To some degree Iraqi forces won't lose ground back to Al Quaeda - they'll sell it back to them. When capitalism and corruption meet, the progeny can be ugly.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-06-27 17:38  

#7  Good discussion at a report by Bill Roggio

Scroll down into the comments to about Posted by Max | June 27, 2007 12:27 AM and read from there -- rather, just read all the comments. Good info on this topic. Seems, some generals disagree with other generals. And, it depends on where the Iraqi forces are! Dud...
Posted by: Sherry   2007-06-27 15:03  

#6  While #5's opst is about the what SHOULD be, I look for some 'realignment' within the top brass. perhaps someone who's rose colored glasses have the same prescription as W's.
too late for carpet bombing, and all the testosterone has left the building.....
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-06-27 14:01  

#5  As I said before, the Diyala IA forces are the least of the IA, which almost goes without saying, because otherwise there wouldn't be a problem in Diyala.

All the other IA were mediocre at best until they had spent considerable time being reordered by US Army and Marines. Now they are doing quite well, thank you.

So we should expect that there will now be intense training, equipping, more training, evaluation, practice, and more training, until the Diyala and Baghdad area IA are up to snuff.

That's what we did will everybody else.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-06-27 13:54  

#4  This is more about fulfilling Harry Reid's prophecy.
Posted by: Bobby   2007-06-27 13:37  

#3  thanks mojo,
I noticed that too [PMSMBC]. Seems a little premature to condemn the entire "Surge" before it is over, even recognizing that some parts/units of the Iraqi Armed Forces and police have problems while some units perform quite well.
Posted by: RD   2007-06-27 13:27  

#2  MSNBC, home of BDS.
Posted by: mojo   2007-06-27 13:09  

#1  This is compared to Korean or Vietnamese troops three to four years into their fight for survival as a nation?
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-06-27 12:35  

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