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Home Front: Culture Wars
In Vermont, nascent secession movement gains traction
2007-06-04
MONTPELIER, Vt. --At Riverwalk Records, the all-vinyl record store just down the street from the state Capitol, the black "US Out of Vt.!" T-shirts are among the hottest sellers. But to some people in Vermont, the idea is bigger than a $20 novelty. They want Vermont to secede from the United States -- peacefully, of course.
Um, no.
Disillusioned by what they call an empire about to fall, a small cadre of writers and academics is plotting political strategy and planting the seeds of separatism. They've published a "Green Mountain Manifesto" subtitled "Why and How Tiny Vermont Might Help Save America From Itself by Seceding from the Union." They hope to put the question before citizens at Town Meeting Day next March, eventually persuading the state Legislature to declare independence, returning Vermont to the status it held from 1777 to 1791.
We answered this question in 1865, and we're ready to answer it again if we must.
Whether it's likely is another question.

But the idea has found plenty of sympathetic ears in Vermont, a left-leaning state that said yes to civil unions, no to slavery (before any other) and last year elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.
Also a state where the record stores only sell vinyl.
About 300 people turned out for a 2005 secession convention in the Statehouse, and plans for a second one are in the works. A poll this year by the University of Vermont's Center for Rural Studies found that 13 percent of those surveyed support secession, up from 8 percent a year before.

"The argument for secession is that the U.S. has become an empire that is essentially ungovernable -- it's too big, it's too corrupt and it no longer serves the needs of its citizens," said Rob Williams, editor of Vermont Commons, a quarterly newspaper dedicated to secession.
"Congress and the executive branch are being run by the multinationals. We have electoral fraud, rampant corporate corruption, a culture of militarism and war. If you care about democracy and self-governance and any kind of representative system, the only constitutional way to preserve what's left of the Republic is to peaceably take apart the empire."

Such movements have a long history. Key West, Fla., staged a mock secession from America in the 1980s. The Town of Killington, Vt., tried to break away and join New Hampshire in 2004, and Hawaii, Alaska, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Texas all have some form of secession organizations today.

The Vermont movement, which is being pushed by several different groups, has been bubbling up for years but has gained new traction in the wake of disenchantment over the Iraq war, rising oil prices and the formation of the pro-secession groups.

While neither the Vermont Constitution nor the U.S. Constitution forbids secession per se, few think it's viable. "I always thought the Civil War settled that," said Russell Wheeler, a constitutional law expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. "If Vermont had a powerful enough army and said, `We're leaving the union,' and the national government said, `No, you're not,' and they fought a war over it and Vermont won, then you could say Vermont proved the point. But that's not going to happen," he said.

For now, the would-be secessionists are hoping to draw enough support to get the question on Town Meeting Day agendas.
Posted by:Steve White

#24  Actually, it's kinda sad..... The Vermonters I grew up with would have ostracized/killed-and-eaten anyone with such crackpot ideas.... yuppies escaping Big East cities started flooding the state in the '70's and now it's beyond redemption short of a major ass-kick of an epiphany.
Posted by: Clolush Johnson2479   2007-06-04 18:57  

#23  In the Soviet of Hawaii, the movement is native Hawaiians who want a return to the Royal Hawaiian gov't overthrown by American settlers around 1898. They call it the "Reinstated Hawaiian Gov't".... others call it the "Imaginary Hawaiian Gov't."
Posted by: Not Kamehameha   2007-06-04 18:51  

#22  "nascent secession movement gains traction..."

hmm, working on our vocab, today, are we?
Posted by: Harry Glick8264   2007-06-04 18:46  

#21  Ummmm - didn't the U.S. settle this shit in 1865?

Just sayin'.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-06-04 18:43  

#20  Sure, no problem, whatever. BTW, Vermont - your share of the national debt is $17.8 billion. Be sure to pay up before you leave (cash only).
Posted by: DMFD   2007-06-04 18:42  

#19  Can't let that happen, then there would be a lot more fence to not build........
Posted by: USN. Ret.   2007-06-04 15:41  

#18  I've got a feeling that if a question was put on the ballot to deport the massive influx of New Yorkers and Massholes back to their native lands from Vermont, it would pass in a landslide...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-06-04 12:43  

#17  This isn't the first time a secession movement has surfaced in Vermont. Back during the Louisianna Purchase all the Northeast states Maine, New Hampshire, Vermony, Massachusetts, Connecticut) threatened to secede if the deal was done. They backed down then. Maybe they shouldn't have.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2007-06-04 12:13  

#16  Perhaps it would quiet things down if a few of the secessionists were jailed in federal prison (I'm thinking Colo. Supermax) for about 30 years. This is a dangerous idea, being made light of. It should be snuffed out altogether and immediately.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2007-06-04 12:02  

#15   A poll this year by the University of Vermont's Center for Rural Studies found that 13 percent of those surveyed support secession, up from 8 percent a year before.

Wow! A whole 13%! That means 87% said no.
Posted by: Angaiger Tojo1904   2007-06-04 11:59  

#14  In an unrelated note, 3 earthquakes were recorded over the weekend just off the coast of New Hampshire.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2007-06-04 11:34  

#13  Let the UN and all the NGO's show how they can do more for the people like they do in Palestine.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839   2007-06-04 09:03  

#12  Let the UN and all the NGO's show how they can do more for the people like they do in Palestine.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839   2007-06-04 09:03  

#11  Hugo will send 'em oil, no doubt.
Posted by: Seafarious   2007-06-04 08:39  

#10  The total separation from the real world, even when it looks you right in the face. So, boys, how did New Orleans do without power, clean water, waste disposal, food, etc? How are you going to get along without the ever news worthy winter fuel oil? [insert heavy New England accent here] You can't get there from here.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-06-04 08:01  

#9  That would extend Social Security a few more years, so I say let them go.
Posted by: Grusosh Borgia9229   2007-06-04 07:48  

#8   Vermont is the least populous state, more people live in Wyoming. These people don't matter.
Posted by: no mo uro   2007-06-04 06:08  

#7  I'd like to see the entire North East secede. Imagine a country with the likes of Kennedy or Clinton.
Posted by: BrerRabbit   2007-06-04 06:06  

#6  Crelet7595, really? And join whom, Harper? ;-)

Nah, they can secede and stuff themselves silly with Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia.
Posted by: twobyfour   2007-06-04 04:00  

#5  Vermont can take their socialist orientation and maple syrup and run off to join Canada for all I care.
Posted by: Galactic Coordinator Crelet7595   2007-06-04 02:13  

#4  Let them secede.

2 Dem Senators go with them, as do 3 electoral votes that are in the Dems Pockets.

I encourage it!
Posted by: Fleretle Lumumba9694   2007-06-04 01:58  

#3  I'm all for shooting separatists. By historical example, it's too dangerous not to.
Posted by: Penguin   2007-06-04 01:31  

#2  What's the big deal? Let them go. Let them figure out how to get gasoline for their Volvos and VW busses. Let them build their own powerplants for electricity.
Posted by: anymouse   2007-06-04 01:13  

#1  Well, let's see. How does Vermont stack up in the area of self-sufficiency?

How much oil refining capacity does it have?
How much power-generation does it have?
How much of it's food is raised in-state?

There are a lot of other questions like that, but these are enough to start. If Vermont is not protected by US trade laws, it would have to pay whatever its neighbors wanted to charge it for access.

Moronic idea.
Posted by: Lone Ranger   2007-06-04 00:38  

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