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Down Under
Terrorism accused refuse to stand
2007-06-01
Nine men accused of preparing a terrorist act on Australian soil have ignited another debate, refusing to stand before the NSW Supreme Court and enter their not guilty pleas. The men, who were allegedly inspired by the September 11 attacks to plan terrorist attacks here, were brought amid tight security to the Supreme Court yesterday. They were formally arraigned, charged with conspiring to prepare a terrorist act, or acts, between July 8, 2004 and November 8, 2005.

Before Justice Anthony Whealy read out the indictment to the men - many dressed in traditional Islamic robes - he asked them to stand and enter their pleas. A lawyer for some of the men, Adam Houda, said there was a problem. "The accused have a problem with standing up Â… not to be disrespectful but it's a religious observance," Mr Houda said. Justice Whealy said he would not insist. "Judges are made of more robust material Â… but a jury might take a different view."

However, the men's stance concerned some Muslims. "[Standing up] is not out of respect for the judge, but for the institution of the court regardless of whether its Sharia or any other court," said a lawyer, Irfan Yusuf. "I can't see why these boys would have any problems. I am not aware of any mainstream religious scholars or jurists saying the accused should not stand."
It would seem their problems are of their own making, wouldn't it?
However, a friend of Mr Houda, the prominent Muslim spokesman Keysar Trad, told the Herald the observance came from an instruction by the prophet Muhammad to "not stand" and pay homage to him. "There's a lot of people in the Muslim community who take that proposition literally and feel if you were to stand up for another person that disturbs the balance of equality," Mr Trad said. "[Mr Houda] has assured me they were not being disrespectful."
"No, no! Certainly not!"
The men - Mazen Touma, Mohamed Ali Elomar, Abdul Rakib Hasan, Khaled Cheikho, Moustafa Cheikho, Khaled Sharrouf, Mirsad Mulahalilovic, Omar Baladjam and Mohamed Jamal - all entered not guilty pleas. The youngest is Jamal, 22, the oldest Elomar, 42.

The logistical problems of the trial emerged yesterday, with the realisation that jury members may need to devote much of 2008 to hear the cases against the men. Justice Whealy, who presided over the trial of Faheem Khalid Lodhi last year, set the trial down for February, saying he did not want it to spill over into 2009.
Posted by:ryuge

#9  "The accused have a problem with standing up Â… not to be disrespectful but it's a religious observance," Mr Houda said. Justice Whealy said he would not insist. "Judges are made of more robust material Â… but a jury might take a different view."

Simple solution. Jail them for contempt and make initiation of their trial conditional upon their standing in court to enter their plea. Any continuing refusal to stand in court represents a self-imposed life sentence. This sort of shit has gone way too far. Islam's delusion of supremacy is pathological and must be crushed under the bootheel of modern civilization. Nothing less will suffice.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-06-01 23:07  

#8  a nice gaffectomy will convince the most reticient
Posted by: Frank G   2007-06-01 20:19  

#7  Treble 00-snagging hooks on a short pole. You'd be surprised how well that acts as a motivator. I'd be able to get them to stand every time. Of course, the "human rights" people would have cat-fits.

hummm just wondering... if at some time in the past OP ever indulged in the fine art of snagging...

/for fish of course..

;-)
Posted by: RD   2007-06-01 15:04  

#6  Treble 00-snagging hooks on a short pole. You'd be surprised how well that acts as a motivator. I'd be able to get them to stand every time. Of course, the "human rights" people would have cat-fits.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-06-01 14:31  

#5  Just kill them, and be done with it.
Posted by: Natural Law   2007-06-01 12:10  

#4  Contempt - 90 days in the hole.
Posted by: mojo   2007-06-01 10:04  

#3  "Bailiff, affix your bayonet and assist these gentlemen in standing."
Posted by: Seafarious   2007-06-01 09:16  

#2  "Judges are made of more robust material Â… but a jury might take a different view."

Like, maybe, "Hey, maybe these assholes should do a lotta time in jail"?
A view something like that, Justice Wheatley?
Posted by: tu3031   2007-06-01 09:04  

#1  "I can't see why these boys would have any problems. I am not aware of any mainstream religious scholars or jurists saying the accused should not stand."

Gee....maybe they have some other reason... Maybe they are a bunch of filthy mass murderers.

I read this and actually laughed out loud.
Posted by: Mark E.   2007-06-01 08:57  

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