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Afghanistan
Duh: U.S.: Poppy profits fuel Taliban
2007-05-22
Profits from Afghanistan's thriving poppy fields are increasingly flowing to Taliban fighters, leading U.S. and NATO officials to conclude that the counterinsurgency mission must now include stepped-up anti-drug efforts.
Like KC-10s fitted with a crop-sprayer about a mile wide.
This year's heroin-producing poppy crop will at least match last year's record haul and could exceed it by up to 20 percent, officials say, meaning more money to fuel the Taliban's violent insurgency.
Agent Orange. KC-10 with fuc&ing enormous crop sprayer. Afghanistan poppy fields. Nighttime missions. Spooky for cover. Problem solved.
"It's wrong to say that you can do one thing and not the other," Ronald Neumann, who recently stepped down as U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, said of the link between anti-drug and anti-terrorism efforts. "You have to deal with both at the same time."
Apparently not. That's not how it's being done now, anyway.
Afghanistan accounts for more than 90 percent of the world's heroin supply, and a significant portion of the profits from the $3.1 billion trade is thought to flow to Taliban fighters, who tax and protect poppy farmers and drug runners.
Protect them from who? The Taliban?
Drug control has not been part of the official mandate of international forces in Afghanistan. But there is a growing push for NATO's International Security Assistance Force, or ISAF, to play a more active role in sharing intelligence and detecting drug convoys and heroin labs, said Daan Everts, NATO's senior civilian official in Afghanistan.
Losing dollars by saving pennies are we?
There is "increasing international interest in seeing a more assertive supportive role in ISAF in the counternarcotics strategy implementation," he said before quickly adding that it would not include eradication.
Why no eradication? And while you're at it, eradicate the Taliban farmers, too.
International forces also might provide support for operations targeting senior drug traffickers, Neumann said.
Better idea: No drugs ==> no traffickers/Taliban.
Military commanders who viewed drugs as a minor irritant in 2002, when poppy production was much lower, have reassessed the importance of the vast fields of red and white poppies their soldiers drive past in security convoys, said a Western official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he didn't want to be seen as criticizing the military.
Sure. Blame the military. Try giving them money and a directive to get rid of the fields. I'm sure they'd love to do it.
It's too early to say definitively what this year's crop will be. But another Western official with knowledge of the drug trade said it could exceed last year's record 407,000 acres by as much as 20 percent. The official declined to give his name because of the nature of his work.
I'd guess 20% bigger than before, and the Taliban's cut will probably be higher this year so they can get more "protection".
Gen. Khodaidad, Afghanistan's deputy minister for counter-narcotics, said that estimate is likely accurate. "The problem is a lack of security, a lack of governance, the Taliban, druglords, warlords and corruption," said Khodaidad, who goes by one name. "It's a bad list with very bad results."
Shoulda nipped it in the bud.
Thomas Schweich, a senior State Department official, said he has briefed NATO ambassadors and Gen. Dan McNeill, the top NATO general in Afghanistan, on the need for increased military cooperation on the drug front.
I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.
There is a growing recognition that "counternarcotics and counterterrorism are effectively the same thing," said Schweich, the U.S.-based coordinator for counternarcotics and judicial reform in Afghanistan. "I think everybody recognizes that with the Taliban receiving funding from narcotics, much more so than in the past, that there has to be a coordinated effort."
Bull$hit. The Taliban would drive into a farmer's field with a tractor and go nuts for a few minutes. No coordination whatsoever. Just a couple of guns and a promise to come back with more Talibunnies and exact revenge if the farmer gave them any crap. The West thinks too hard.
While poppy production is falling in north and central Afghanistan, where security is stronger, that decline is expected to be overwhelmed by a surge in production in the southern province of Helmand, the most violent region.
Yeah, terrorists tend to go where the resistance is least.
Helmand is expected to account for more than 50 percent of Afghanistan's poppy crop for the first time, meaning the province by itself would be the world's largest opium-producing region.
Blah blah blah. The country isn't that big that it makes a difference where they grow the stuff.
"The amount of production in Helmand has undone successes in other parts of the country," Neumann said. "What you see is that where you have a reasonable level of peace and a little bit of government, you can start to make progress against the poppy. Where you are in the middle of the insurgency, it's much harder."
Why tie it to the quality of the government? Just spray it. It will go away.
The United States would like to see Afghanistan undertake ground-based spraying of poppy fields with herbicides. The new U.S. ambassador here, William Wood, oversaw U.S.-backed coca field eradication efforts in Colombia as ambassador there.
That'll happen. Not.
But some Afghan Cabinet members have expressed reservations about the impact on legitimate crops or livestock. President Hamid Karzai at first agreed to allow spraying last year before changing his mind, according to the Western official familiar with the drug trade.
Yeah, those red and white fields can be confused with wheat or corn just way too easily. Better study the problem for a few years first. And do an environmental impact study. Somehow I get the feeling that the Taliban aren't the only ones getting paid for "protection".
Khodaidad said the Afghan government may permit ground-based spraying next year and is even considering aerial spraying.
Sounds like someone's trying to boost their take a bit raising the pressure.
Afghan officials have not talked publicly about aerial spraying before, out of fear of public opposition.
Or losing their cut.
"We have left the option open," he said. Any decision to start ground-based or aerial spraying would have to come from Karzai, Western officials say.
Well, Karzai, are you with us or not?
Posted by:gorb

#11  yes understood.
With everyone talking agent orange and the like I was just wondering ;)
Posted by: Jan   2007-05-22 23:04  

#10  It depends on what's used, Jan. The Round-Up herbicides sold in the garden center of your local big box store break down to salt and water within a few days, some others linger for years, some of the biologicals are pretty much species specific. Poppies are a perennial flower; Round-Up sprayed in the autumn will be absorbed into the roots, and the plants will not come back in the spring.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-05-22 22:57  

#9  good idea Tu, then reading gorb's comment made me wonder. Although having the Taliban get money for protection would make them the bad guy here and that might help our cause with them.

I'm all for killing the poppy crops, just don't want to kill any good relations we have with the afghans. To possibly replace the poppy crop with something else, would the stuff we use killing the poppys ruin the earth for growing anything else?
Posted by: Jan   2007-05-22 22:44  

#8  I feel that if we give the farmers something more profitable to do, then the Taliban will come and take a percentage of that free money for "protection". Just kill the freaking poppies and let the cards fall where they will. Perhaps next year they'll grow something they can eat.
Posted by: gorb   2007-05-22 20:59  

#7  Old Patriot: #5 #3 Whatever happened to napalm?

Treo, that's MY line!


I concur Treo, OP has full title, he owns it!

>:)
Posted by: RD   2007-05-22 20:12  

#6  Biowarfare (Downy Mildew, Powdery Mildew, viruses, bacteria) can take care of the HUGE return on invest of opium. Fire up the sprayers.
Posted by: ed   2007-05-22 14:23  

#5  #3 Whatever happened to napalm?

Treo, that's MY line!

Problem is, most crops are hard to grow and have poor return on investment. Poppies grow wild in Afghanistan, are easy to cultivate to increase yield, and provide a HUGE return on investment. We need to do something that will make the Afghans willing to switch to a different crop. Maybe we need them to grow switch grass or something similar, and create a biofuels industry in Afghanistan. They don't have any indigenous oil or gas, so it would be beneficial in two ways. Until you can give the Afghan farmer a similarly profitable crop, you're not going to eliminate poppies.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-05-22 14:13  

#4  whatever happened to Agent Orange?
Posted by: anymouse   2007-05-22 14:08  

#3  Whatever happened to napalm?
Posted by: treo   2007-05-22 10:26  

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Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-05-22 09:59  

#1  What're they spending, a billion a month in Afghanistan? The poppy crop's worth 3.1? We ever think about buying it all up? The farmers get their money and the Taliban gets screwed outta their cut. Maybe get entrepenurial and setup some pharmacuetical companies to make morphine based pain killers creating more opportunities for Afghans? And, as a valued customer that they want to keep happy, maybe the farmers start having no qualms about giving up these mooks by the bushel full?
Just a thought.
Posted by: tu3031   2007-05-22 09:11  

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