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Judges Focus on Gitmo Tribunals
2007-05-16
WASHINGTON (AP) - Two federal appeals court judges subjected a Bush administration attorney to intense questioning Tuesday as lawyers for prisoners at Guantanamo Bay pleaded for a broad court inquiry on behalf of the detainees.

Judges Judith Rogers and Douglas Ginsburg expressed skepticism about government assurances that the appeals court will receive all necessary evidence in evaluating the detainees' status as enemy combatants. ``I don't see how there can be any meaningful review if we don't know what we don't know,'' Ginsburg told a government attorney.

The latest chapter in the cases of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay is about military tribunals that designated them enemy combatants, leaving them without any of the rights accorded prisoners of war.
This is about the appeals process once a tribunal finds a Gitmo mook guilty of something, and not about the part of the new law that allows for tribunals in the first place. But you can see where the 'defense' lawyers are headed.
Justice Department lawyer Douglas Letter said an extensive record of classified and unclassified material on the tribunal proceedings will be supplied to the court. Congress intended for the court's review to be a narrow one, Letter emphasized.

Letter said the tribunals largely duplicate long-standing procedures laid out in the Army Field Manual. ``You'd better not invoke that,'' Rogers admonished the Justice Department lawyer. ``We don't have all those'' procedures here.

Rogers is a Clinton appointee; Ginsburg, the chief judge of the appeals court, is a Reagan appointee; and the third member of the panel, Karen Lecraft Henderson, is an appointee of President Bush's father.

A year ago, the Republican-controlled Congress at the urging of the Bush administration stripped the prisoners of the right to challenge their indefinite detention. The only challenge detainees can make is to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, for the limited purpose of assessing the military tribunal procedures. ``This is our only chance to go back to the government well,'' attorney Jeffrey Lang told the judges.

The two cases before the appeals court involve Haji Bismullah, an Afghan, and seven men who are Uighurs, Muslims from China who are a persecuted terrorist minority in that country. They are among the 380 detainees at Guantanamo Bay, some of them held for more than five years.

The detainees' attorneys want the appeals court to allow a broad inquiry questioning the accuracy and completeness of the evidence the tribunals gathered about the detainees, most of it classified. The Justice Department seeks a limited review, saying that the findings of the military tribunals are ``entitled to the highest level of deference.'' The appeals court should not engage in fact-finding, argues the Justice Department.
Appeals courts generally aren't supposed to engage in fact-finding; that's the job of a trial court or tribunal. Appeals courts ensure that the law was followed.
An attorney who heard the arguments, Shayana Kadidal of the Center for Constitutional Rights, ...
... the same quasi-commie organization that received the names of all the detainees illegally, as we documented yesterday ...
... called it ``striking'' that the appeals court judges expressed interest in a broader inquiry. The center has led the effort to gain access to the U.S. court system for the detainees so that they can all be set free to kill and murder again.
Posted by:Steve White

#3  The latest chapter in the cases of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay is about military tribunals that designated them enemy combatants, leaving them without any of the rights accorded prisoners of war.

Which, according to the Geneva Conventions that specifies the proper treatment of prisoners of war, they're not entitled to.

Funny how that never gets mentioned.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-05-16 12:07  

#2  No its about the new judiciary aristocracy extending its powers to rule the people without consent. Like the enlighten despot, they know what's good for the serfs public better than the public knows itself. We already know the outcome, this is just the ritual needed to justify the consolidation of more power, to overthrow the outrageous actions of the peasants people. Consent, who needs any stinkin consent? “L’État, cÂ’est moi”
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-05-16 09:14  

#1  Either findings of fact or findings of law can be reviewed. The government's position is that appellate review should be limited to findings of law. The Stalinists are arguing for de novo review, which includes both. The appropriate standard is usually specified either by statute or by controlling case law. I'm pretty damn sure that the Geneva Conventions, military commission procedural rules, and precedent say nothing about de novo review, because if they did, the government wouldn't be arguing about it.
Posted by: exJAG   2007-05-16 03:45  

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