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Home Front: Politix
Pelosi threat to sue Bush over Iraq bill
2007-05-09
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is threatening to take President Bush to court if he issues a signing statement as a way of sidestepping a carefully crafted compromise Iraq war spending bill.

Pelosi recently told a group of liberal bloggers, “We can take the president to court” if he issues a signing statement, according to Kid Oakland, a blogger who covered Pelosi’s remarks for the liberal website dailykos.com. “The president has made excessive use of signing statements and Congress is considering ways to respond to this executive-branch overreaching,” a spokesman for Pelosi, Nadeam Elshami, said. “Whether through the oversight or appropriations process or by enacting new legislation, the Democratic Congress will challenge the president’s non-enforcement of the laws.”
They'd like nothing better than a drawn-out courtroom drama that would drain Bush without having the Dhimmicrats take responsibility for anything.
It is a scenario for which few lawmakers have planned. Indicating that he may consider attaching a signing statement to a future supplemental spending measure, Bush last week wrote in his veto message, “This legislation is unconstitutional because it purports to direct the conduct of operations of the war in a way that infringes upon the powers vested in the presidency.”
Which seemed pretty simple. A president is allowed to say why he's vetoing a bill. He's also allowed to state, when signing a bill, what he thinks it means and how he's going to enforce it.
A lawsuit could be seen as part of the Democrats’ larger political strategy to pressure — through a series of votes on funding the war — congressional Republicans to break with Bush over Iraq.
Again, without actually taking responsibility for the war, since they understand that most Americans don't want a 'cut and run' policy, and they understand that if a cut and run results in an Iraqi bloodbath and a new middle eastern war, the Dhimmis will be blamed for the next half-century.
Democrats floated other ideas during yesterday’s weekly caucus meeting. Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.) suggested that the House consider a measure to rescind the 2002 authorization for the war in Iraq. Several senators and Democratic presidential candidates recently have proposed that idea. “There was a ripple around the room” in support of the idea, said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).
A rescisson would be vetoed, and the Dhimmis would be back where they are today. They gave the President the power to conduct the war in 2002, and they're stuck unless they cut off the funding. That leaves them the fingerprint problem again. Funny they don't suggest the obvious solution in public.
In the 1970s, congressional Democrats tried to get the courts to force President Nixon to stop bombing in Cambodia. The courts ruled that dissident lawmakers could not sue solely to obtain outcomes they could not secure in Congress.

In order to hear an argument, a federal court would have to grant what is known as “standing,” meaning that lawmakers would have to show that Bush is willfully ignoring a bill Congress passed and that he signed into law. The House would have to demonstrate what is called “injury in fact.” A court might accept the case if “it is clear that the legislature has exhausted its ability to do anything more,” a former general counsel to the House of Representatives, Stanley Brand, said.
Not likely: the courts traditionally have been reluctant to referee political spats between the Congress and the President, and getting in the middle of whether or not to fight or end a war is a place no Supreme Court wants to be.
Lawmakers have tried to sue presidents in the past for taking what they consider to be illegal military action, but courts have rejected such suits.

A law professor at Georgetown Law Center, Nicholas Rosenkranz, said Bush is likely to express his view on the constitutionality of the next supplemental in writing. Whether Bush has leeway to treat any provision of the supplemental as advisory, however, depends on the wording Congress chooses, Rosenkranz added.

Bruce Fein, who was a Justice Department official under President Reagan, said Democrats seeking to challenge a signing statement would have to try to give themselves standing before filing a lawsuit. “You’d need an authorizing resolution in the House and Senate … to seek a declaratory judgment from the federal district court that the president, by issuing a signing statement, is denying Congress’s obligation to [hold a veto override vote],” Fein said.

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) introduced legislation to that end last year, but the idea of a lawsuit has yet to gain traction in Congress.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said that “the odds would be good” for a signing statement on the next supplemental, considering that Bush has in the past shown a predilection for excusing his administration from contentious bills. But Levin did not offer any clues as to how Democratic leaders would counter Bush.
Posted by:Steve White

#15  Congress could impeach a President if said President fails to enforce a law. But then you get into whatever that means

SCOTUS recently came down on the side of making a Federal Bureaucracy regulate. Not that they COULD regulate something, but that they have been negligent in NOT previously regulating.
Posted by: eLarson   2007-05-09 17:48  

#14  Nancy (& cohorts): Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-05-09 16:18  

#13  Lawsuits are the last refuge of scoundrels and charlatans.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-05-09 16:08  

#12  Like the Pearson Puppeteers - she's a Hindmost!
see Ringworld and Known Space Sagas
Posted by: 3dc   2007-05-09 13:49  

#11  At one time in this nation, traitors were shot. Now, I guess, we elect them to Congress. Our nation is in deep doo-doo.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-05-09 13:31  

#10  Woozle: technically correct on signing statements: they are indeed opinion. The opinion of the President. Now that opinion doesn't have the force of law, but it makes clear a) what the President thinks the new law says and b) how he's going to enforce it.

Congress could impeach a President if said President fails to enforce a law. But then you get into whatever that means. And let's face it, most legislation has a lot of ambiguity and slackness written into it.

Again: if the Dhimmicrats want the war to be over, all they need do is withhold funding. They have a majority in both houses; if they keep their caucus together, there's no money come October 1. The President would have no choice then but to exit the war.

And the Dhimmicrats would be seen then as responsible for whatever happened next. If the fighting stopped and everyone in Iraq kissed, made up and started grooming fluffy bunnies, the Dhimmicrats would get credit.

And if there was a bloody civil war and an even bloodier middle east war in the next year, the Dhimmicrats would get blamed, and correctly so.

Now then, Woozle: which outcome do you think is more likely?

I bet Pelosi has put her marker down on option #2. She wants us out of Iraq but she doesn't want to be blamed for what happens afterwards. And that's why, instead of just stopping the funding, she and her party are partaking of all this stooopid nonsense.

She doesn't want her fingerprints on what happens. Not exactly a leader.
Posted by: Steve White   2007-05-09 12:18  

#9  These "signing statements", made by several presidents, but overused by Bush, carry no impact. They are merely opinions. If the executive uses these to actually modify laws, this is illegal and Congress has a remedy. It is impeachment.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter2970   2007-05-09 11:52  

#8  More of the dhemocrats trying a creeping coup d'etat to seize power from the executive branch. Traitors and seditionists. All of 'em.
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-05-09 10:22  

#7  "Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) introduced legislation to that end last year, but the idea of a lawsuit has yet to gain traction in Congress."

Again, why did we support this old a-hole for reelection when there was a better candidate that was thrown to the wolves? Thanks RNC, you'll never see another dime from me.
Posted by: OldSpook   2007-05-09 10:14  

#6  Good luck with that plan, little missie!
Posted by: mojo   2007-05-09 10:01  

#5  The longer the dems chase their tails over Iraq to the exclusion of all other concerns, the more it looks like a Bush / Rove jedi mind trick has been played. Works for me...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2007-05-09 09:09  

#4  An old Democrat mantra. "If you donÂ’t have the votes, try Legislation by Litigation."
Posted by: DepotGuy   2007-05-09 08:45  

#3  Last November the President admitted Operational problems in the Iraq Theater and solicited solutions. Rantburgers, Reps, Editorialists and others joined in what was an open and inclusivist democratic process. Field troops and scrutineers - as myself - are generally supportive of the new policies.

Nancy: your no-nothing contribution to the debate was heard and waste-basketed. It is time for you to shut up and act out your wallpaper role.
Posted by: Sneaze   2007-05-09 06:39  

#2  Lawsuit lawsuits lawsuits. Sounds like it's trying to be used as blackmail to me, only not illegal. Now exactly how legal was that trip to the ME, Pelosi? Prove it . . . .
Posted by: gorb   2007-05-09 03:25  

#1  So, with the same quality of logic...
Bush could sue Pelosi for trying to be the president?
Posted by: 3dc   2007-05-09 03:13  

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