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Home Front: Politix
Edwards: No Terror "War"
2007-04-28
From the Politico blogs:
This is a quite big deal that most of us totally missed last night: John Edwards doesn't believe there's a "global war on terror," at least not in the simple-show-of-hands sense.
To come to that sort of conclusion takes either a total lack of attention, a willing suspension of disbelief, or a black belt in stoopid. Having heard part of his Two Americas speech, I'm going with the black belt idea.
This is something a lot of Democrats say privately -- and something mainstream pols everywhere else in the world say publicly -- but it contests a Bush administration premise in a way very few American politicians have been comfortable in the last five and a half years.
I put the European attitudes down to the willing suspension argument. After all, they've got the Muslims living in their midst in greater numbers than we have. The turbans are raping European women, slaughtering the occasional European intellectual in the streets like sheep, and staging carbecues in Gay Paree. You can't not pay attention when the train's exploding under your backside, and if it's stoopidity then I'll bet Theo van Gogh sure wised up quick there at the last. But the Euros spent many happy years under the American nuclear umbrella, practicing their willing suspension skills until they were able to confuse Americans and Soviets in motive and method, with lots of them preferring the Soviets since they were closer and more European, until the system so inconsiderately collapsed. They still miss the commies, still hope they're gonna come back so they can all march and wave red flags and enroll their kids in the Young Pioneers, because Marxism sounds like it should make sense. After all, it's expressed mostly in polysyllables. Americans are much more monosyllabic, and if you're monosyllabic how're you gonna engage in dialectics? So obviously the wrong system collapsed and the pursuit of Social Democracy avoids those unfortunate mistakes that caused that unpleasantness with the kulaks.
His stance -- though it doesn't seem to have been all that deliberate -- matches the recent comments of a prominent British politician. It's the most direct challenge to the Bush administration's whole worldview that I can recall from a leading Democrat.
A good part of that's the "dissidence" meme that's ever so fasionable among those who lack the imagination to believe that we could lose the war against the savages. Since there's no way we could possibly lose and since there really aren't any demands being made on them, not even the demand that they pay attention, it's great fun to pretend to be ever so Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn-ish, only without the unstylish beard and the even more unstylish Christianity. There aren't any penalties to "questioning authority," and in fact it'll even get you laid in college. The net result is a beleagured Authority that has to explain itself over and over to nitwits who are posturing, not listening, and eventually being distracted from Authority's task, which is in this case defending the rest of us from people who want to cut our heads off and make our children wear turbans.
Edwards aide David Ginsberg confirmed that the former North Carolina senator had not raised his hand in response to Brian Williams' question,"Do you believe there is such a thing as a global war on terror?" He also noted that Edwards elaborated later in the debate. "I believe -- and this goes to the question you asked earlier, just a few minutes ago -- global war on terror. I think there are dangerous people and dangerous leaders in the world that America must deal with and deal with strongly, but we have more tools available to us than bombs. And America needs to use the tools that are available to them so that these people who are sitting on the fence, who terrorists are trying to recruit, the next generation, get pushed to our side, not to the other side. We've had no long-term strategy, and we need one, and I will provide one."
This is mere fatuity. Maybe he really is simply not paying attention. Ruling out or never being willing to resort to force leaves talk the only option and wind the only end product. If we're going to deal with those dangerous people and dangerous leaders "strongly" then we've got to do the Clausewitz thing: military action has to remain diplomacy by other means and vice versa. The U.S. was actually doing that, and in many cases doing it damned well, up until last fall. Bush and his team suddenly deflated when they noticed that the nation's attention span had moved to Britney's nether regions and the Dems were making political gains.

I'll reiterate: The original goals were correct and the original approach was effective. The Taliban were tossed out. Al-Qaeda hard boyz were chased down and captured or killed. Terror networks were dismantled. Funding lines were dried up. Qaddafi went out of the terrorism business. The Oil-for-Food crooks were chased down, and there have actually been some convictions -- though George Galloway, Kofi, and Kojo aren't among them. The AQ Khan network was dismantled. There were the Rose and the Orange revolutions. Syria was forced out of Lebanon after 30 years of occupation in the Cedar Revolution. Our Ethiopian proxies have thrown the Powerful Islamic Courts™ out of Somalia. And Sammy was bounced from bloody-handed power in Iraq. Those are all successes and they are successes precisely because the Bush administration was a prickly and pushy partner for a torpid, self-satisfied, and basically corrupt International Community™ to work with.

The areas where success hasn't come have been in those areas where we haven't been pushy bastards. We've been letting the EU take the liesurely diplomatic approach with Iran. Solana and Larijani just shared a cliche 5-star meal the other day. North Korea's been another six-party approach that's produced just ducky results. Darfur's been a UN project with the UN's usual spectacular success. The only place where the multilateral approach is showing any success at all is in the manner in which the Euro courts have been willing to extradite bad guyz back and forth across their borders. And you can bet that Carla del Ponte'd just love to get in on that action.

Our weak spot has always been the Democrats' deteermination to keep on fighting Vietnam, to keep on singing Alice's Restaurant whether it makes sense or not. Binny's been counting on that from the first. Sammy was, too, though it didn't work well for him. The Paks are counting on us giving up in Afghanistan and going home so the Talibs and the ISI can retake control. Al-Qaeda in Iraq and its Syrian and Iranian backers are not only counting on us leaving, but on us telling them when we're going to do it. All of them think the tide's turned against Bush and against the United States. All they've got to do is wait us out. They're counting on the weakness, the yellow stripe, the fascination with who's Dannilyn's daddy to overcome our determination to give the Muslim world a chance to live like decent human beings for a change. They're counting on lightweights like John Edwards to come through for them.
Posted by:Steve White

#22  As it stands, the miltary budget is a small percentage of GNP. It's highly unlikely this theoretical tariff would have been spent supporting 'foreign military adventures' or substantive weaning off the foreign-oil teat.

More likely this would have been spent on more palatable 'domestic security'. This could range from projects directly connected to national security, to things connected only because their proponents say it is (and my money would be on the latter), to paying off favors and thus buying votes.
Posted by: Pappy   2007-04-28 23:00  

#21  I know a lot of Rantburgers are viscerally opposed to any taxation whatsoever while they also support foreign military adventures which must be paid for somehow. Badanov seems to be dismissing the very thought of "economic vulnerability" as a ridiculous concept.

Way to stay on one side of the ledger. It must be your Enron moment, I guess.

Your sneering term "foreign military adventure: we know as the Global War on Terrorism, a defensive War initiated by the Islamists of Iran and continuing under other auspices as well.

It's a tough fight, and one we will eventually win, but we won't win it easily if we impose tariffs on oil or increases in income taxes.

Taxes kill investment and they kill new job creation. Taxes, even oil import tariffs kill economic incentives to continue to invest, and they never, ever, accomplish the goals they set out to accomplish because, simply put, they are a dishonest attempt to transfer wealth rather than to pay some a common goal such a national defense.

That is why I am opposed to taxes and increases in all their forms, because those who sneeringly refer to a war for our very survival as a "foreign military adventure", have no sense of common good, only of retribution and redistribution of wealth necessary to achieve that retribution, and the means to create wealth.

Our "forign military adventures" are being paid already by taxes but then so is NPR, which is certainly not defense related and which can be cut anytime, as well any number of items so that we can win this war, and you can go back to tranfering wealth from those who create it to those who never will, aka the federal and state governments.
Posted by: badanov   2007-04-28 17:44  

#20  John thank you for being my bitch.
Posted by: Bin Laden   2007-04-28 16:08  

#19   Certainly the US needs to secure its overseas connections for oil imports. I don't mean that is not necessary.
The "market" for oil exports has failed several decades ago due to the nature of the product & its marketing. Any further restriction in the oil markets will hammer the US economy, no matter its source, and this is the "economic vulnerability" I referred to. The taxes we pay for our oil imports certainly must include our war dead and injured, something that can't be measured in dollars. The "highest taxed commodity on the planet," indeed. A tariff (aka "External Revenue") is one of the oldest measures for governments to raise money, as opposed to "Internal Revenue" -- a tax on your income. I know a lot of Rantburgers are viscerally opposed to any taxation whatsoever while they also support foreign military adventures which must be paid for somehow. Badanov seems to be dismissing the very thought of "economic vulnerability" as a ridiculous concept. Osama bin Laden has/had a different idea on this, and I believe OBL's on to something. The Great Depression was a most "viable market," even though it was the kind of market few of its victims wanted. Verlaine seems to be saying the US Govt is completely helpless to deal with this vulnerability except by somehow changing the governments responsible for much of the world oil export capacity. Throwing slogans and pet ideas & phrases around is no substitute for thinking & strategy. If these are the best ideas we're capable of, we have already lost.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2007-04-28 14:59  

#18  Excellent rant on economics and energy, badanov. One that needs to be pounded into the public, the political class - and even many of the fine folks around here. People for some reason arbitrarily dispose of basic economic logic when dealing with energy, with predictable results in their analysis.

To go put it in geek speak, accounting for the imprecision of the analysis due to the lack of objective measurement yardsticks, the "externality" or market failure represented by "dependence" on imported energy cannot be efficiently addressed through govt. intervention (taxes, subsidized R&D). And the issue of energy has confused many, since even before globalization we had a direct stake in regional order - now that stake is huge. Thus we would need to take steps to protect our interests abroad regardless of the % of oil that's imported, or the price. Aside from both these points, the economics of the situation (even before China and India became huge players, now it's a "slam dunk") mean that no conceivable amount of "savings" in use of imported energy would have a meaningful impact on the intended targets (oil producers and their friends).
Posted by: Verlaine   2007-04-28 12:15  

#17  He was one of the hairdressers and doornob polishers from The Hitchhikers Guide

You know that ship of worthless monkeys tricked into voyaging to earth. That explains the dem pols and socialists too.

Posted by: 3dc   2007-04-28 11:26  

#16  The far left believes that all the attacks from 9/11 on are 'false flag' operations perpetrated by Bush and the Joooooossss (Mossad). All Muslims are peaceful practitioners of the 'Religion of Peace'. We attacked Afghanistan so Cheney could make money building a pipeline, and attacked Iraq for oil. We're planning to do the same in Iran for the same reason. All the head-hackers, suicide bombers etc., are liberation fighters reacting to American Imperialism.

This is the nature of the 'reality-based community'. Looks like they're well represented by the Democrat contenders. God help us all if one of these asshats ever becomes President.
Posted by: DMFD   2007-04-28 11:16  

#15  The commentary is better than the original article. Thanks Steve White.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-04-28 11:14  

#14  Heck, they're ALL stuck on stupid.

The Democratic Party simply doesn't "do" national security anymore; it's not in there repertoire, not part of their portfolio. The pro-American, pro-defense Democratic Party of old-- the party of "Cold Warriors" such as John F. Kennedy, "Scoop" Jackson, et al, is long gone.

All that's left in their place is a collection of wealth redistributionists and scam artists practicing the art of what I call "Parasite Politics": taking tax money from you and me, and handing it over to freeloaders in exchange for votes.

They're damn good at keeping themselves in power with this racket-- but it's the ONLY thing they know how to do anymore. And they want this war over, PRONTO, so they can get America's attention again and run their con without any distractions.

And for some of them, like Edwards, the easiest way to accomplish that is pretend the war simply isn't necessary because the threat isn't real.

Posted by: Dave D.   2007-04-28 10:54  

#13  I've always thought Edwards was "stuck on stupid." This just confirms it.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-04-28 10:44  

#12  Great inline comments, too.

"Marxism sounds like it should make sense. After all, it's expressed mostly in polysyllables."

YJCMTSU. Nailed it with that one.
Posted by: Jules   2007-04-28 09:43  

#11  ...or a shave.
Posted by: tu3031   2007-04-28 09:38  

#10  If you really want to get Edwards' attention, tell him that under the Taliban, he wouldn't be ABLE to get a $400 haircut. That'll wrinkle his pretty brow!
Posted by: Frank G   2007-04-28 06:58  

#9  One measure not taken that would have got the electorate's attention & would have possibly contributed toward an improvement in the economic vulnerability of the USA: a $50 a barrel tariff on imported oil.

Oil is already the highest taxed commodity on the planet. Why is a tax, which would hammer this economy and do absolutely nothing to reduce our so called "economic vulnerability", considered a good idea. Almost as good an idea as "investing in alternative fuels.

Oh wait. The federal government does that and has been doing that since the 70s without any, as in no candidate ever having reached market based on market viability, the only standard we should even be applying to any "energy policy."

And where would the money from the tariff go? To the one sector of society, given its power and size, doesn't need any more money: the federal government.

Per barrel tariffs didn't work back in the seventies, and they won't work now, just like "investment" in alternative fuels.
Posted by: badanov   2007-04-28 06:43  

#8  "In other words, PR matters a lot in a society where the media elite has contempt for the values of the nation."

This is the biggie, W's greatest miscalculation and/or weakness.

The bulk of humanity does not yet have a handle on mass media, a phenomenon which, after all, is only around a century old. Like it or not, in the television age (mass media's most common iteration, despite the growing power of the 'net) good ideas are not enough. You need telegenic excellent communication skills as well.

The body politic cannot simply be fed good ideas in a dry way. As unfortunate as this might be, it's the truth. Even though I like W more than any of the Republicans running (well, maybe not more than Thompson), I can guarantee that if ANY of them, including McCain, were in office and had done EXACTLY the same things policy wise (I know, it's a fantasy, but work with me here) as W - but were allowed to have at the microphones and cameras - we'd be in a very different place right now.

Despite Rathergate etc., TV is still the most dominant information dispersal means. The cracks in the monolith are there and widening. But the monolith is still a powerful presence.

W's style would have been fine pre-television, but today, you need telegenicity. I don't like it, but that's how it is. It's the only way Reagan was able to overcome the bigotry towards himself and conservatism generally that exists in the infotainment industry.
Posted by: no mo uro   2007-04-28 06:02  

#7  One measure not taken that would have got the electorate's attention & would have possibly contributed toward an improvement in the economic vulnerability of the USA: a $50 a barrel tariff on imported oil. Tell everyone it's either a war tax or a way to promote energy independence. It would certainly be a shared sacrifice.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2007-04-28 03:06  

#6  Yep. Like I expect some trial lawyer to know anything about this stuff. Semantics, verbage, etc.

Whatever John. Go tend to your Wife.
Posted by: newc   2007-04-28 00:53  

#5  I agree. We have been successful where we were willing 'go it alone'. And we have accomplished a great deal despite what our self-hating media wants us to believe. We have only failed where we are working within the 'international community.'

Certainly our enemies think they can wait us out. They must be emboldened by the current clown show in Congress wherein they are trying to define exactly how long they will have to wait.

Still, I have to think that the desire of Congress to reopen and second guess every decision of the past 6 1/2 years, ranging from the Pat Tillman coverup to the Iraq intelligence that supposedly exhonerated Sammy, will backfire.

We just announced we caught the 7/7 bomber, who was an Iraqi al Queda jihadist transiting Iran to fight us in Iraq. We sent him to Gitmo after he apparently spilled his guts during what must have been a coercive period of questioning.

Stories like these occasionally pop up to remind us that Saddam supported terror, we are fighting and killing al Queda in Iraq so, Iran is helping al Queda, Gitmo works as does slapping terrorists around a bit to gain information. Other stories, like the 7/7 bombings, remind us of the utter depravity of the enemy we face. I think most voters are guilty merely of lacking attention rather than suspension of belief or stupidity and therefore the enemy may be overestimating their political prospects.

Bush, being human and a politician, has many flaws. However I think his worst two mistakes were not directly related to Iraq (where we destroyed Sammy's Army in 3 weeks with barely 100K troops and have killed 1000s of terrorists even as we failed to transform a backward culture overnight) or Katrina (where the Coast Guard and ANG made the mistake of saving most everyone off camera despite an incompetent local government). Instead, I believe that the 2 biggest mistakes were not to create some sense of shared sacrifice on the home front to remind us that we are at war and allowing the media to completely misrepresent the facts -- from Joe Wilson to Saddam's WMD program -- and create the impression that all is lost. In other words, PR matters a lot in a society where the media elite has contempt for the values of the nation. As an individual politician, Bush could be dismissive the the media but as a war leader he cannot. People watch it and, lacking a sense of involvement in the war, can easily be distracted by Dannilyn's daddy and believe the headlines to articles they do not read.

Though I feel this way, I really do not know what we should have done to provide a sustained sense of involvement with the war. A large scale draft is not really needed. To me the next best thing would be to have what amounts to a volunteer fire department approach to disaster preparedness/border security/etc. with broad based participation, training, drills, etc. Still, if we did this, some people would eventually get bored rehearsing for something that never seems to happen (like a bioterror attack) and this particular measure might actually erode respect for the enemy not support it.

Ironically, the only sense of 'shared sacrifice' we get is seen by those of us who fly regularly. The intusive incompetence of the TSA, where little old ladies are searched to make sure their toothpaste tube is 3.4 not 4oz, is a weekly reminder that we are at war.
Posted by: JAB   2007-04-28 00:50  

#4  Masterful, Steve. I find myself unable to believe that a total non-entity like Edwards (or Obama) could get anywhere near the WH, in a "normal" time, much less these troubled times. Then I recall the odd, alienating whininess and unseriousness of much of the country these days, and the astoundingly bad political/Beltway class we're currently saddled with, and I get further discouraged.
AoS note: the yellow hilite was Fred, not me. I was going to go back and do some inline comments, but Fred got to it first -- and much, much better.
Posted by: Verlaine   2007-04-28 00:36  

#3  Binny talked about how he and his were going to cause our economic collapse, dwelling on the billions of dollars 9-11 had cost us. I came away with the impression that Binny had no idea of the size and resilience of our economy, kind of like those ladies who envision the atom as being the size and shape of a frozen pea.
Posted by: Fred   2007-04-28 00:23  

#2  Well, I don't really think there is a War on "Terror." I've seen that a war "on" something-or-other never seems to work out very well. Then, "terror" is s tactic, not an ideology. A war against Jihad might work. A war against Islam would probably work OK. A war against Syria, Iran, the Magic Kingdon, and Pakiland would do very well.
Posted by: Jackal   2007-04-28 00:23  

#1  CENTER FOR NONPROLIFER STUDIES > FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: UNRAVELING AL QAEDA's TAGRGET SELECTION CALCULUS. Gist- Osama + Boyz wanna destroy the US economy, directly andor indirectly, and to knowingly induce the USA to spend Spend SPEND, regulate Regulate REGULATE, gubmint Gubmint GUBMINT, etc like there's no tomorrow [for USA]. Also, to "BLEED" THE USA DRY.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-04-28 00:21  

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