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Passengers Sued Over Imams' Removal |
2007-03-31 |
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Six Muslim men removed from a plane last fall after being accused of suspicious behavior are suing not only the airline but the passengers who complained—a move some fear could discourage travelers from speaking up when they see something unusual. The civil rights lawsuit, filed earlier this month, has so alarmed some lawyers that they are offering to defend the unnamed "John Doe" passengers free of charge. They say it is vital that the flying public be able to report suspicious behavior without fear of being dragged into court. "When you drive up the road towards the airport, there's a big road sign that says, 'Report suspicious behavior,'" said Gerry Nolting, a Minneapolis lawyer. "There's no disclaimer that adds, 'But beware if you do that, you might get sued.'" The six imams were taken off a Phoenix-bound US Airways flight on Nov. 20 while returning home from a conference of Islamic clerics in Minneapolis. Shoulda been kicked out at 40,000 feet. Other passengers had gotten nervous when the men were seen praying and chanting in Arabic as they waited to board. Some passengers also said that the men spoke of Saddam Hussein and cursed the United States; that they requested seat belt extenders with heavy buckles and stowed them under their seats; that they were moving about and conferring with each other during boarding; and that they sat separately in seats scattered through the cabin. Personally I think they were going to use them as impediments to a passenger charge. You could extend the buckle from one seat to a mating buckle on the opposite side of the aisle and slow down a charge down that aisle, giving terrorists in a defensive position outside the cockpit a better chance of dealing with a passenger charge. The plane was cleared for a security sweep, nothing was found, and the jet took off without the imams. The Muslim clerics say they were humiliated, and are seeking unspecified damages from the airline, the Minneapolis airport and, potentially, the John Does. Omar Mohammedi, the New York City attorney for the imams, said the intent is not to go after passengers who raise valid concerns about security. But he suggested some passengers may have acted in bad faith out of prejudice. Either of which would accomplish the same desired end effect. "As an attorney, I have seen a lot of abuse by the general public when it comes to members of the community creating stories that do not exist," Mohammedi said. Of course Muslims wouldn't make up any stories of their own. He denied the imams were talking about Saddam, and said that their seats were assigned and that they requested extenders because their seat belts didn't fit. Some fear such lawsuits could weaken what has become the first line of defense against terrorism since Sept. 11—an alert public. At airports and train and subway stations around the country, travelers are routinely warned to watch for unattended bags and suspicious activity and to notify authorities. Ellen Howe, spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, which oversees security at all U.S. airports, would not comment specifically on the imams' lawsuit. But she said the TSA counts on passengers to help the agency do its job. "'See something, say something' is certainly a common mantra in this day and age," Howe said. "We would always remind passengers to be both vigilant and thoughtful." ![]() Mohamhead ate pork when nobody was looking. He liked to tie his dingus in a knot and shove it up his a$$, too (Hey, it might be true for all I know). Mohammedi said he has not yet identified any of the complaining passengers. An airport police report listed a passenger and two US Airways employees as complaining about the imams. All three had their names blacked out before the lawsuit was filed by invoking a Minnesota law that allows it, airport spokesman Pat Hogan said. Nolting said he has been contacted by several potential John Does. Passenger Pat Snelson, who lives in a Twin Cities suburb, said he and his wife were not among those who reported suspicious behavior. But he said his wife noticed the men praying, and he saw them moving around the cabin while others were boarding. "These guys were up to no good," Snelson said. "We think the airport people did a real good job in taking care of it." Bomb-sniffing dogs examined the men and their baggage. FBI agents and other federal law enforcement officers questioned the men for several hours before releasing them. Next time do a body cavity search using a football. Billie Vincent, a former director of security for the Federal Aviation Administration, said he is troubled by the mere attempt to identify the passengers who raised concerns. Airline passengers "are your eyes and your ears," said Vincent, who now owns an aviation security company. "If attorneys can get those names and sue them, you put a chilling effect on the whole system." I know how you could warm things up, and since I don't think this lawsuit stands a snowball's chance in hades even in today's self-hating over-liberal climate, I'll bet that's exactly what will happen. |
Posted by:gorb |
#21 Actually, the US system of government was framed in such a way as to protect the minority from the majority. That's my understanding of it anyway. You are right FdM. Much of America's framework is steadfastly devoted to this concept. Examine the Electoral College if you doubt this. |
Posted by: Zenster 2007-03-31 23:27 |
#20 Fuck the ACLU. Fuck these agents of barbarism. Fuck CAIR. Fuck Islam. No, I value my privates far too much to soil them with this kind of vermin-riddled trash, I don't think even penicillin would work. |
Posted by: Redneck Jim 2007-03-31 21:47 |
#19 Living in this country requires one to accept the will of the majority, not demand special status as a minority. Actually, the US system of government was framed in such a way as to protect the minority from the majority. That's my understanding of it anyway. On the other hand, I'm not sure how many have noticed, but the SCOTUS derives its power from the majority. It's the majority that makes SCOTUS what it is. |
Posted by: Flavick de Medici3512 2007-03-31 20:50 |
#18 MSP International Airport is over run with Somali Muslim workers. I'm willing to be that's why the Imams pulled this shit there. |
Posted by: Icerigger 2007-03-31 19:56 |
#17 have you been through Minneapolis lately? Most of them are probably not fanatics. but the problem is that there are so dang many of them you don't know where to start. Personally - I'd feel much better if I had to fly through there if YOU were on my flight. But as a believer in stats and numbers - those are odds I'm not willing to play. Money talks. If the majority of flyers refuse to fly through Minneapolis - increased security would be the result! |
Posted by: Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 19:52 |
#16 bottom line - pay the extra and don't fly through Minneapolis. No, make all muslims walk or take the bus. There is nothing that says we HAVE to let them fly. If they want to cause trouble, gather up a couple of dozen "good ol' boys" and let them discuss it with them - with axehandles. Living in this country requires one to accept the will of the majority, not demand special status as a minority. |
Posted by: Old Patriot 2007-03-31 19:11 |
#15 And you didn't say "fuck" even once! For shame, LOL. ;) |
Posted by: Albemarle Unavimp5200 2007-03-31 18:02 |
#14 heheh... on second thought I think I was far too kind. What I'd really like to see is them stripped of their American citizenship and forced to enjoy the rights of living as an infidel in an Islamic country. yeah. That's IT! |
Posted by: Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 18:00 |
#13 LOL. How apropos. :D |
Posted by: Albemarle Unavimp5200 2007-03-31 17:56 |
#12 me too. What I really hope is that someone sues their ass for all they are worth and they wind up in a trailer park working for $5 per hour for some guy named Miguel. |
Posted by: Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 17:54 |
#11 My apologies, then, Angaiger Tojo1904 - my nym changed cuz I had to go away for a smoke. I won't credit the ACLU with what is not due. What they are today is Pure Red, so I'll stick to that. I hope they're among the first to fall. |
Posted by: Albemarle Unavimp5200 2007-03-31 17:49 |
#10 Punky Crolutch3978 there was a great article the other day about how it is a myth that the ACLU was ever anything but a communist front, intent on destroying America from within. They named names. Sorry, can't remember where I read it. Maybe frontpage. Maybe rantburg! |
Posted by: Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 17:43 |
#9 In short – Contrived Propaganda. Spot on, DepotGuy. Most astonishing of all is that our own government assists with Islam's cloaking of its vile intentions by spewing the usual Religion of Peace [spit] bullshit. With the media facilities available to them, our leaders should be creating awareness and security information packages to warn us about this exact sort of crapulence. Instead they appease and fawn over America's worst enemies. |
Posted by: Zenster 2007-03-31 17:36 |
#8 Defending the passengers from this craven bullshit taqiya is a perfect example of why the ACLU was founded long ago. Another use of our "system" against us, with the goal of intimidating people into silence. Fuck the ACLU. Fuck these agents of barbarism. Fuck CAIR. Fuck Islam. |
Posted by: Punky Crolutch3978 2007-03-31 17:02 |
#7 bottom line - pay the extra and don't fly through Minneapolis. |
Posted by: Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-03-31 14:22 |
#6 An airport police report listed a passenger and two US Airways employees as complaining about the imams. It’s an open secret that MSP International Airport continues to have one of highest alert status in the country. Furthermore, the organizers for the “summit” in the T-Cities have a known history of manufactured dramas intended to draw attention in the form of lawsuits. More to the point, they knew American Airlines would react exactly in the manner they did. It’s not about racial profiling or even winning a lawsuit. It’s simply another artificial event to draw attention to a non-issue. In short – Contrived Propaganda. |
Posted by: DepotGuy 2007-03-31 14:02 |
#5 Link to original Rantburg article. |
Posted by: Bobby 2007-03-31 13:03 |
#4 Is there a defense fund we can contribute to? |
Posted by: DMFD 2007-03-31 12:12 |
#3 This has "Frivolous lawsuit" written all over it in huge letters |
Posted by: Redneck Jim 2007-03-31 12:11 |
#2 Discovery should be interesting...Hey Keith Ellison, didn't you speak at their convention shortly before this incident? Star-Trib won't be able to cover your ass on this one. Asshole |
Posted by: Frank G 2007-03-31 11:05 |
#1 He denied the imams were talking about Saddam, and said that their seats were assigned and that they requested extenders because their seat belts didn't fit. You gotta be a major porker for the normal seatbelts not to fit. |
Posted by: Rob Crawford 2007-03-31 09:44 |