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US troops 'would have fought Iranian captors'
2007-03-26
A senior American commander in the Gulf has said his men would have fired on the Iranian Republican Guard rather than let themselves be taken hostage.

In a dramatic illustration of the different postures adopted by British and US forces working together in Iraq, Lt-Cdr Erik Horner - who has been working alongside the task force to which the 15 captured Britons belonged - said he was "surprised" the British marines and sailors had not been more aggressive.

Asked by The Independent whether the men under his command would have fired on the Iranians, he said: "Agreed. Yes. I don't want to second-guess the British after the fact but our rules of engagement allow a little more latitude. Our boarding team's training is a little bit more towards self-preservation."

The executive officer - second-in-command on USS Underwood, the frigate working in the British-controlled task force with HMS Cornwall - said: "The unique US Navy rules of engagement say we not only have a right to self-defence but also an obligation to self-defence. They [the British] had every right in my mind and every justification to defend themselves rather than allow themselves to be taken. Our reaction was, 'Why didn't your guys defend themselves?'"

His comments came as it was reported British intelligence had been warned by the CIA that Iran would seek revenge for the detention of five suspected Iranian intelligence officers in Iraq two months ago but refused to raise threat levels in line with their US counterparts. The capture of the eight sailors and seven marines - including one young mother - will undoubtedly renew accusations that Britain's determination to maintain a friendly face in the region has left its troops frequently under protected.

Vastly outnumbered and out-gunned, the Royal Navy team from HMS Cornwall were seized on Friday after completing a UN-authorised inspection of a merchant dhow in what they insist were clearly Iraqi waters. The Iranian Republican Guard Corps Navy appeared in half a dozen attack speedboats mounted with machine guns.
Posted by:Fred

#21  whatever
Posted by: George Grolurong3861   2007-03-26 01:56  

#20  LCDR is the naval equivalent of a major. CDR is the equivalent of a LTCOL.
Posted by: Pappy   2007-03-26 21:15  

#19  Pehaps this second Cornwallis surrender will see another timely resignation in London.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-03-26 21:07  

#18  I guess this means the commander of the HMS Cornwallis will meet with an unscheduled career path adjustment.
Posted by: john   2007-03-26 20:47  

#17  i think it's time too REALLLY thrown if the british and their allies are eady not just the US or UN
Posted by: sinse   2007-03-26 18:03  

#16  Our boarding team's training is a little bit more towards self-preservation.

Ooohhh! Bitch slap!

LCDR is same as Lt. Col.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839   2007-03-26 16:15  

#15  Wait a minute, since when is a lt. cdr a "senior American commander"? Isn't that the navy equivalent of an Army or Marine captain?
Posted by: Mitch H.   2007-03-26 15:29  

#14  Is my memory faulty or did the Iranians grab some Brits earlier in the war. Claimed the Brit boat was on their side of the Euphrates and held them for awhile.

Seems poor planning to not suspect a repeat.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2007-03-26 15:23  

#13  Let this be a final nail in the coffin of flaccid "Soft Power".
Posted by: Zenster   2007-03-26 14:59  

#12  I think the Brits should tell Iran that they're sending ONE British Marine to Tehran to bring the hostages home. And if one Marine proves insufficient, they will send ONE Lance Corporal British Marine to assist, but they won't be responsible for any damages.
Posted by: red baron   2007-03-26 13:06  

#11  Good policy. Probably stems from our past experience with Iranian hospitality...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-03-26 12:53  

#10  Our boarding team's training is a little bit more towards self-preservation.

Candidate for Understated Snark o' The Week!
Posted by: SteveS   2007-03-26 10:05  

#9  I say, the British, blinded by grief, wander into Iran and take the refineries. "Group Therapy" works.
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-03-26 07:47  

#8  That's called the "spoils of war". :-)
Posted by: gorb   2007-03-26 05:56  

#7  
I say we put together a support group and go vaporize the Iranian navy.


Nope. Iran imports most of its fuel and my guess is that a lot of it travels by sea...


Posted by: JFM   2007-03-26 05:49  

#6  I say we put together a support group and go vaporize the Iranian navy. The therapy will make us both feel better. No planning required. Just do it. Oh, and keep the sailors as hostages.

That's my well-thought-out plan, anyway.
Posted by: gorb   2007-03-26 03:12  

#5  And also to our British friends, the USS Pueblo now sits in Wonsan Harbor as a Nork museum and tourist attraction. The crew (less one lad who was slain), spend 11 months in captivity.
Posted by: Besoeker   2007-03-26 03:03  

#4  REALCLEARPOLITICS > ROYAL NAVY INCIDENT AND IRAN'S PLAN TO TRAP USA, UK > Gist - Radical Iran may not admit it but it is acting as if already at war agz USA-UK. Seizure of 15 Brits may be part of a larger multi-dimensional, multi-lateral, escalatory complex agenda intended by Iran to entrap the USA-UK in chaotic, divisive, confrontative scenarios which Iran controls, and by which Iran will [asymmetrically] defeat the USA-UK, INCLUDING IN ANY MIL CONFLICT, and achieve its ambitions.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-03-26 02:56  

#3  To our friends the Britts; Not to fret, we didn't go in and get our boys in the "Black Hawk Down" entrapment initially either! Did we clear a ½ mile zone to extract our troops from being dragged through the streets...hell no!! Did we go in there and bring our 12 surveillance plane crew members home, after the Chinese hit and forced that landing on Hainan Island..again, hell no. So feel somewhat comforted, our British friends and allies; you prevented 'Shock & Awe 2' from starting, until we're REALLY ready to 'throw down'!
Posted by: smn   2007-03-26 02:52  

#2  Nice to see this comment from the USN. Before I went over I'd never noticed just how wonderfully open, spontaneous, and candid US military comments to the press can be. Kind of amazing - probably the most unfettered media access of any government organization anywhere, down to the lowest levels.

The British brass have no monopoly on unforced errors in this war, but ..... this was ridiculous.

As gorb said, outgunned, uh, unless you count the Type 22 frigate nearby, not to mention the additional surface and air units probably at the ready to respond if the Cornwall requested it.

Love that photo. Damn shame the Iowa class couldn't have been kept in the fleet. We'd not only be the unrivaled power on the scene, we'd LOOK the part .....
Posted by: Verlaine   2007-03-26 02:00  

#1  Vastly outnumbered and out-gunned

Yeah, if you don't count the HMS Cornwall.

But don't worry, they've called some kind of COBRA meeting. With a name like that, it's gotta be good!
Posted by: gorb   2007-03-26 01:33  

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