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Home Front: WoT
Court Refuses Medic's Discharge Claim
2007-02-17
WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal appeals court refused on Friday to overturn the detention of a U.S. Army medic who declared his opposition to war on the eve of his deployment to Iraq. Agustin Aguayo, who enlisted in 2002 during the run-up to the Iraq war, asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia to release him from a military prison. He had sought an honorable discharge as a ``conscientious objector.''
And now he gets a dishonorable one as a coward.
Aguayo, who has been held in a U.S. prison in Germany since going absent without leave, said he enlisted as a way to earn money for his education.
And he's getting an education, though not the one he thought he'd get.
Though military operations in Afghanistan were under way and discussions about Iraq were ongoing, he said he never considered that he'd have to fight.
I'm told that right about the time in basic training that you go to the firing range for the first time and have a rifle put in your hands, is about the time you understand, if you didn't before, what the army does.
He faces up to seven years in prison on charges of desertion and missing movement and is scheduled to face trial next month, his attorney, Peter Goldberger said. Goldberger said he would ask the appeals court to reconsider the decision. ``It breaks my heart because I think he's sincere,'' the lawyer added.

Goldberger told the court in November that Aguayo's beliefs evolved over time and ``crystallized'' to the point that he could no longer take a life.
He was a medic. He wasn't being asked to take lives.
The Army said that wasn't enough. To receive conscientious-objector status, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin K. Robitaille said, a soldier must show a deeply rooted objection to war in any form.

``These cases are hard for people to believe because they involve a change in people's beliefs, but when you think about how old they were when they signed up, it's not that surprising at all,'' Goldberger said Friday.
Just nineteen and an adult, was he?
Government attorneys noted that Aguayo applied as a conscientious objector only after receiving his orders to Iraq and did so at the same time as his best friend. They said there was not enough evidence to support Aguayo's argument. The appeals court unanimously agreed, saying it could overturn the Army's decision only in the most extraordinary circumstances. The court found that the military had good reason to deny Aguayo's application.

The three-judge panel said Aguayo had little evidence to support his growing moral conviction against war and said the Army appropriately weighed the suspicious timing of his application. ``Though Aguayo stated that his Army training caused him anguish and guilt, we find little indication that his beliefs were accompanied by study or contemplation, whether before or after he joined the Army,'' Judge David B. Sentelle wrote.
So we have at least three judges who can't be conned.
Posted by:Steve White

#8  The "best friend" datum is the key. He probably qualifies under the "Don't ask. Don't tell" for immediate discharge.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins   2007-02-17 22:30  

#7  when you think about how old they were when they signed up, it's not that surprising at all

I can think of no greater rationale for raising the voting age to 21 than this. If he's too da$$$d young to serve in the military and go to war, he's too da$$$d young to be allowed to vote. Of course, in this turd's case, he's also not bright enough to vote.

The bleeding-heart lawyer needs to be drafted as a combat replacement for Aguayo, just to keep things in perspective.

Every member of the military swears an oath to "support and defend". We're told up front, that if there's a war, you're butt is going to take part, one way or another. Every branch of the military supports some form of warrior training - not just military training, but warrior training. Aguayo just didn't have what it takes, and will now be flushed. He should get a BCD and be forced to repay the Army for all the money they wasted training his sorry a$$.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-02-17 13:19  

#6  Interesting Quakers with records: Nathanael Greene and Jacob Brown. Obviously the modern version doesn't match those closer to the point of origin.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-02-17 12:36  

#5  It used to be the acid test of a c.o. that they would be offered the job of combat medic. If they accepted, then they were a real c.o., and could serve in a non-combat role, honorably. If they refused, they were a coward.

Later, it was decided that if they fully convert to an anti-war religion like the Quakers, that was also good enough for c.o. status. However, they had to be familiar with Quaker doctrines to use that excuse. Most cowards are also slackers, so they wouldn't even try to learn Quaker doctrines.

But in the final analysis, anybody who declares themselves c.o. is probably a lost cause. Not only does it mean that they would be piss-poor as soldiers themselves, but they would probably endanger other soldiers, because of their deficiencies.

I hold the theory that only a small percentage of the population can ever be real "warriors". They are just born with talent that gives them the potential to be a LOT better than anybody else, even with training. The vast majority can be very effective in combat support and combat service support, but one real warrior with training is worth a hundred non-warriors with training.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-02-17 09:55  

#4  But I'll bet he "supports the troops"...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-02-17 08:38  

#3  The only reason I took this job at school is because of the money, I hate kids and shouldn't have to be around them. I still want the money tho.
Posted by: Shipman   2007-02-17 08:36  

#2  Government attorneys noted that Aguayo applied as a conscientious objector only after receiving his orders to Iraq and did so at the same time as his best friend.

Timing is indeed everything.
Posted by: Besoeker   2007-02-17 06:37  

#1  Though military operations in Afghanistan were under way and discussions about Iraq were ongoing, he said he never considered that he'd have to fight.

Shit, this guys dumb enough and cowardly enough to be a congressman.
And may be one some day...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-02-17 00:37  

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