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Israel-Palestine-Jordan
The Palestinians: There's little left to save fear
2006-11-18

It will be many years before Israel faces a real war for its survival, but the clock has begun to tick.

'An equation has to be created in which it is not worth it for the Palestinians to fire," said Eli Moyal, mayor of Sderot, after rockets fired from the Gaza Strip killed a 57-year-old woman and severely injured two young men (one of whom lost both legs) last Wednesday in the southern Israeli town. The logic is impeccable: hurt the Palestinians enough and they will stop launching rockets.
Looks like OlmertÂ’s replacement has finally been located.
But the Israeli Defense Force hurt the Palestinians very badly indeed at the beginning of November, in Beit Hanoun, the town nearest to the launch sites of last Wednesday's rockets. The operation lasted for a week, and it killed 60 Palestinians and injured 250. One Israeli soldier was killed. If that kill ratio doesn't stop the rockets, what will?
How about 600:1 or 6,000:1? It wouldnÂ’t hurt to find out.
Most of the Palestinians killed in Beit Hanoun were "militants."
Unless you listen to BBC or ReutersÂ’ wailing about all the fluffy bunnies and baby ducklings that got squooshed.
They were young men who had grown up under the Israeli occupation, and who were finally given the opportunity to fight the Israeli army in their hometown. This was merely an opportunity to die bravely but uselessly, since Kalashnikovs are not much use against tanks, but it made them feel really impotent important for the last 10 minutes of their lives.
That’s the Palestinians for you, always letting off esteem. Let’s hope we can make a lot more of them feel equally “important”.
Since the hopelessly inaccurate, homemade Qassams first began to fall on the Israel towns and villages near the Gaza Strip in 2000, they have killed a total of nine Israelis. In just the four-week period from June 26 to July 24, Israeli Defense Force actions in the Gaza Strip to stop the Qassam rocket fire caused the death of 126 Palestinians.
ThatÂ’s the problem, right there. Nowhere near the 60:1 minimum pain threshold. Gotta get those kill ratios up into the really excruciating numbers, guys. YouÂ’ll never win their respect this way.
According to the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, 63 of these were not fighters, and 29 of them were minors. The IDF says it never deliberately targets civilians, but it cannot be unaware that a high Palestinian death toll is a necessary part of the equation "in which it is not worth it for the Palestinians to fire."
Someone finally gets it. Too bad America doesnÂ’t understand this equation yet.
So its operations are less careful than they would be if the civilians in question were Israelis. Consider, for example, the Israeli artillery fire that killed 19 members of the Athamna family in Beit Hanoun a few days after the armoured operation.
Do you mean this Athamna family? The ones who were storing explosives in the same house their children lived in? The linked article poses some very interesting questions. Like:

The radar that locates the targets transferred data showing that 10 shells from one barrage landed at a distance of 400 meters from the house that was hit. The two remaining shells were not detected by the radar. This is a familiar statistical phenomenon. Nonetheless, it doesn't make sense that only some of the shells fired from the same cannon would go off course to such an extent, even if they didn't show up on the radar. If only two shells landed inside a residential neighborhood, where did the others land?

Link at: http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2006/11/was-israel-really-responsible-for-beit.html

"A technical failure," said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, and he was no doubt technically correct.
”[T]echnically correct? More like factually incorrect.
But more than 350 Palestinians have been killed in the Gaza Strip since midsummer, versus two Israelis: one soldier killed in Beit Hanoun early this month, and one civilian killed in Sderot last Wednesday.
At a kill ratio of 175:1, IÂ’d say that was a major improvement.
Yet no amount of pain seems to deter the Palestinians, and now the rockets are getting accurate enough to hurt Israelis.
Pain doesnÂ’t seem to be working. Better switch over to death. It has longer lasting after effects.
They are not as accurate as the modified Katyushas that Hezbollah fired at northern Israel last summer, but the ranges are a great deal shorter. Moreover, this is not taking place in the context of a war of limited duration, like the one last summer that was triggered by Hezbollah's seizure of two Israeli soldiers and then escalated by massive Israeli air raids on Lebanon.
No, it is your standard issue terrorist activity. Some things never change. Unless you blow them straight to hell, that is.
That lasted a month; this is an everyday affair of local people fabricating and launching short-range missiles at nearby Israeli targets, and it could go on for years.
Which is why Beit Hanoun made so much sense. Lots of dead people to not fire rockets anymore.
No doubt Israel can also go on shelling and bombing the Gaza Strip and making occasional armoured incursions like that at Beit Hanoun for years, and no doubt it can still count on killing 20 or 50 Palestinian fighters and civilians for every Israeli soldier or civilian who dies. But the Palestinians just don't care any more.
Keep upping the kill ratios until they do care.
That is not literally true. Of course they care when their kids (or their parents or sisters or brothers) are killed. But in the larger sense, most Palestinians, at least in the Gaza Strip, no longer care how high the price is; they have lost their fear.
Up the kill ratios until they find their fear again. ItÂ’s skulking around there somewhere. TheyÂ’ve just temporarily misplaced it.
This poses a danger for Israel, because it means that the traditional strategy of terrorizing the Palestinians into submission no longer works.
Offing them into submission will work just fine. Trust me.
Turning points do not normally announce themselves with great fanfare; you only realize that you have passed them some time later. But this year, for the first time, Israel failed to win a war (in Lebanon).
Let’s see just how many more of those sort of “victories” Hezbollah can stand. Wasn't the kill ratio about 30:1 or 60:1?
For the first time in 39 years, Israel has really lost control of the Palestinians. And now the United States, after 30 years of military involvement, is on its way out of the Middle East. The American withdrawal from Iraq is still a year or two away, but the retreat will not stop there.
This presumes quite a bit. Like Iran being left intact before we depart.
We are probably still 20 or 30 or even 50 years away from the day when Israel faces a real war for survival.
Not if Iran isnÂ’t stopped. WhereÂ’d this writer buy his timeline, at K-Mart?
Avoiding that is a very high priority even for Israel's enemies, for a defeated Israel would certainly destroy the Arab world with nuclear weapons before it went under, and (if you believe the threats of some Israeli leaders) much of Europe as well.
Not that the lot of them wouldnÂ’t richly deserve it.
That outcome is still far from inevitable, but this is the year when the clock started ticking.
If Iran is not stopped, that “outcome" is inevitable.

Interesting to note how the writer alludes to Israel's Sampson Option being expanded to include parts of Europe as well.

I wonder if paybacks for France are on the targeting list? If I were Europe, I'd be a bit more concerned about this and lay off financing the Palestinians so much. But, then again, the Europeans haven't been showing a lot of common sense of late.

Posted by:Zenster

#18  This may shock you, but I believe it may be possible to get a pain and death ratio high enough to actually leave them asking themselves what the hell they are doing.
I do not, however, believe they can answer correctly. :-}
Posted by: wxjames   2006-11-18 16:50  

#17  Q: What does it mean when EU1735 is drooling out of both sides of his mouth?

A: His mother has propped him up correctly.


8-(:::
Posted by: gorb   2006-11-18 15:10  

#16  My God, the complexity of the conspiracy is so obvious, yet so subtle. As a veteran of the military, and the IC, I had no Idea because of effective compartmentalization, how effective my blundering actually was. I'm so relieved to see that my participation in the vast right wing conspiracy was actually a cover for the vasst left wing conspiracy by the very government for who I worked. Brilliant!
BTW, do you take your meds you drooling cretin?
Posted by: JustAboutEnough   2006-11-18 13:35  

#15  Zenster: I call it the "Microsoft Certified Ditch Digger" conspiracy theory.

That is, Them, as in The Forces of Them, see in the United States a cosmic unbalance that deprives Them of power. So if They can just correct this imbalance, then They will become immensely powerful.

What I am talking about, of course, is that there are far too many Microsoft Certified Engineers and people like that, and not enough Ditch Diggers.

Therefore, the purpose of the entire conspiracy, everything from the Kennedy assassination and the faked Moon landing, to Britney Shpears recent divorce, is to take power in the United States to force all Microsoft Certified Engineers to dig ditches!

Why, it is staggeringly brilliant in concept.

Entire divisions of Pakistani UN shock-troop 7-11 employees are in readiness for X-DAY, when all the Microsoft Certified Engineers will be rounded up and forced to dig ditches. And power will flow to our secret masters.

Well, that's the theory, at least.

But I figure that if a conspiracy theory passes my MSCDD test, then there's a good chance our government issued brain microchips will over-write the alien transmissions.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2006-11-18 13:23  

#14  EU1735 is on to the tricks of the rascals.

BTW 1735 is a number that is tracked by black flag Rb funded Spetnatz.
Posted by: AL Chappeau   2006-11-18 11:46  

#13  They no more fear death than would an equal number of Thuggee. In fact, like the Thuggee, they actually look forward to death, both killing others and dying themselves.

How much have you read about the Thuggee, 'moose?

Many of the Thuggee stumbled over each other giving evidence to Sleeman. They weren't particularly interested in their own deaths; they may have been homicidal fanatics, but they weren't suicidal. If they had been, would they have been so damned careful at hiding the bodies of their victims? Or making sure their victims were outnumbered and incapacitated at the time of their murder?

We can learn quite a bit about fighting fanatics from studying Sleeman's campaign against the Thuggee -- and learn a bit about the sanitization of history from the later-year denials of the existence of the Thuggee. But we have to consult reliable sources and not attribute behavior to them those sources do not report.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2006-11-18 11:44  

#12  As all of you can tell, my pain in the @ss threshold has already been reached. I agree, for every attack, take another square mile of land that is never given back. Let these thugs crowd themselves onto a postage stamp.

Shut off all water and power until Hamas recognizes Israel? Absolutely. Love the idea! Whatever it takes to force their hand, DO IT NOW!

Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier)

Ebbinemp Ulavick1735, you obviously have some childhood issues that don't merit discussion at this forum. Suffice to say that if you buy into plots that suggest our own government would voluntarily kill 5,500 CREW MEMBERS and destroy over 10 BILLION DOLLARS worth of boat and planes to initiate a war whose onset could be faked a thousand other far less expensive ways, I've got only one question for you; Who ties your shoelaces for you each morning?

Let me guess, we also flew our own planes into our own buildings on 9-11, right? If you actually believe that sort of intellectual vomit, your soul may well be beyond the possibility of salvaging. Incidentally, you also come across as a troll and will most likely be put on flush ignore here on out.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-11-18 11:19  

#11  The edge was just a little too close for this one. Bad breaks brakes, I guess.

Wirehead or euthanasia?
Posted by: .com   2006-11-18 10:28  

#10  AHH, life in the "Promised land.” Aint it just god like to store artillery rounds in your home? I mean every house should have a howitzer, er, I mean a Trabant with five or six 155 rounds wired up in it, ya never know when an evil JOOO convoy might come by, and you will need to blow up the neighborhood. Allah be with you my favoeite martyrs!
Posted by: 49 Pan   2006-11-18 10:26  

#9  Wow, EI1735, guess we should just cut our wrists, then? You go first :-)
Posted by: Frank G   2006-11-18 10:19  

#8  I agree with the inlines, but never discount the inconvenience inflicted when all water and power is shut off. Try and spin a lathe to make a Qassam when it's run by pedalling a bike. Food don't last when there's no electricity. Hard to get close enough to shoot a Qassam when NVG's show your stupid ass setting up. Get medieval. Shut off the water and power, catapult diseased carcasses into Gaza :-)
Posted by: Frank G   2006-11-18 09:57  

#7  It's all about the Middle East in the news today. However, Iraq is a diversion. As the army attacks Iraq, the US gov't erodes rights at home by suspending habeas corpus, stealing private lands, banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, rigging elections, conducting warrantless wiretaps and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier) and the US will invade Iran, (on behalf of Israel).
Final link (before Google Books bends to gov't demands and censors the title):
America Deceived (book)


Posted by: Ebbinemp Ulavick1735   2006-11-18 09:50  

#6  but it made them feel really important for the last 10 minutes of their lives.

Jebus, I sense a key to the insanity.
Posted by: Shipman   2006-11-18 08:31  

#5  Once again I point out that "upping the pain" is meaningless when human life means nothing to them.

Face it, their zeitgeist is of a death cult. They no more fear death than would an equal number of Thuggee. In fact, like the Thuggee, they actually look forward to death, both killing others and dying themselves.

This leaves only two alternatives: either wipe them out or ethnically cleanse them; or, take away the one thing they DO care about--land.

But even talking about killing them is futile. They have proven beyond any doubt that they just do not give a crap. 100:1? 1000:1? Doesn't matter.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2006-11-18 08:13  

#4  By now, most Israelis understand that peace with Paleos is impossible. The first step in solving a problem is to formulate it correctly.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-11-18 06:29  

#3  "We have nothing to fear except Zionist bionic hornets fear itself".
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-11-18 06:06  

#2  That was a good piece, Zenster. And BTW, I agree with you on upping the pain until it produces the desireable behaviour in the Paleos. Not that I expect Israel to do it, bar some catastrophic attack.
Posted by: phil_b   2006-11-18 04:33  

#1  The Paleos can expect to fear Euro common sense, and starvation.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550   2006-11-18 04:10  

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