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| WND : Fatah member explains PA president's ultimate goal to destroy Jewish state |
| 2006-10-04 |
| By Aaron Klein © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com JERUSALEM – Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' stated recognition of Israel's right to exist is part of a "political calculation" aimed at ultimately destroying the Jewish state, a terror group leader and member of Abbas' Fatah party told WND in an interview. The leader said the Fatah party does not recognize Israel and that any final accord that doesn't include flooding the Jewish state with millions of Palestinians will not be supported by the Fatah party and will lead to Palestinian civil war. "The base of our Fatah movement keeps dreaming of Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jaffa and Acco," said Abu Ahmed, Fatah member and leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades in the northern Gaza Strip. "There is no change in our position. Abbas recognizes Israel because of pressure that the Zionists and the Americans are exercising on him. We understand this is part of his obligations and political calculations." The Brigades is the declared "military wing" of Abbas' Fatah party. Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv this past April that killed an American teenager and nine Israelis. The Brigades also has carried out scores of deadly shooting and rocket attacks against Israeli civilians in recent months. Brigades leaders are members of Fatah. The terror group's founder, Marwan Barghouti, is an elected Fatah official and is largely considered one of the most popular Fatah figures. Several top Brigades members serve in Abbas' Force 17 personal security detail. Abbas and Hamas the past few months have been negotiating the possibility of forming a national unity government in part to end international sanctions imposed on the Palestinian Authority after Hamas won the majority of parliamentary seats earlier this year. But the unity talks reportedly fell through because of Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist. Fatah and Hamas have been clashing in Gaza and the West Bank the past few days. The U.S. and Europe label Hamas a terror group, while Fatah largely is considered "moderate," in part for its purported willingness to accept Israel. The U.S. has given large sums of financial aid and weapons to Fatah since late Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat signed the Oslo Peace Accords with the Jewish state in 1993. Abu Ahmed explained Fatah itself has never officially recognized Israel. "It is the PLO, which is a separate entity, that recognized Israel,and this was a step, a tactical step that had as its goal to bring the resistance and the revolution closer to the lands of Palestine," Abu Ahmed said. The PLO was the official governing body of the Palestinians until the A was formed following the Oslo Accords. Subsequent Israeli-Palestinian agreements were signed officially by the Fatah-led PA but not by Fatah as a party. Still, Fatah leaders, including Abbas, have made scores of statements recognizing the Jewish state. But Abu Ahmed commented, "There is an opportunistic class at the head of the Fatah leadership that for personal and political interests says it accepts the existence of Israel. There is no change in our official position. Fatah as a movement never recognized Israel. It is the PLO who did so for the reasons I mentioned." 'Al Aqsa Brigades loyal to Abbas' The U.S. State Department considers the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades a terror organization. A State Department spokesman yesterday told WND the Brigades is "separate" from Abbas' Fatah party. But Abu Ahmed explained his Brigades group is "one and the same" with the Fatah party. "We are members of Fatah, and there are normal organic relations between us and the Fatah. We are in the Al Aqsa Brigades because we are Fatah members. We participate in all political decisions making of the Fatah movement." Abu Ahmed said Brigades members consider Abbas their legitimate leader and answer ultimately to the PA president. "Of course we are loyal to Abbas. He is our elected leader. We would of course prefer if his policy toward Israel was different, but we understand his obligations and calculations, and we do not consider ourselves limited by these calculations," the terror leader said. Abu Ahmed explained the difference between Hamas and Fatah is that the Fatah party "is ready to discuss a political arrangement for the Jews." But he said any arrangement must include the "right of return" of millions of Palestinians to Israel. "We demand [any agreement with Israel] be based upon the principles that the great majority of our people support and first of all the right of return to the refugees, which mean that there cannot be any recognition of the Zionist entity. "If any Palestinian government will dare sign a deal without this it means that this government has decided to throw away the fate and destiny of more than four million Palestinian refugees, and we cannot accept this." The "right of return" is widely seen by Israelis as a ploy to flood Israel with millions of Palestinians, thus threatening the country's Jewish character. Israel has a population of about 6.9 million; about 5.3 million are Jewish; nearly 1.3 million are Arab. The Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and West Bank claim a population of 3.8, but recent studies found the current Palestinian population may be inflated by up to 50 percent, with some major cities even being counted twice. Abu Ahmed pointed to recent opinion polls showing upwards of 70 percent of the Palestinian public does not support Israel's right to exist. He warned if the PA concludes an agreement with Israel that does not include the "right of return," it will result in civil war. "We will fight such a government that would make an agreement (without the "right of return"), even if this may lead to a civil war. We are of course not interested in such a war but we want to ensure that any political process does not give up any of our holy principles," Abu Ahmed said. |
| Posted by:anonymous5089 |
| #14 Yup, 3dc. But even if we managed to do it - everyone else would just enjoy the (then) cheaper oil and not make the effort. In the end, just getting off the oil tit won't change the threat to the West much. The shitheads will still have the cash and the motivation. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-04 23:30 |
| #13 If the world could find a way to leave islamic oil alone then they would vaporize right back into desert backwaters |
| Posted by: 3dc 2006-10-04 23:19 |
| #12 Will do-thanx for the tip, Zen. |
| Posted by: Jules 2006-10-04 23:15 |
| #11 "Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' stated recognition of Israel's right to exist is part of a "political calculation" aimed at ultimately destroying the Jewish state, a terror group leader and member of Abbas' Fatah party told WND in an interview." In other news, water is wet. And the sun rises in the East. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2006-10-04 23:12 |
| #10 Or we could work the "absolutely-no-aspect-of-sharia-in-Israel" angle--property rights, divorce and marriage, penalties for theft and adultery-outlaw the whole shabang. Jules, please check out today's article by Fjordman. Outlawing all aspects of sharia law is precisely what he recommends. If we have to simply stall out all negotiations by insisting upon Jewish right of return, then so be it. I must sadly agree with you that no world leader currently has sufficient stones to simply confront the Palestinians with their own death wish. This is the only thing that will ever shut them the fuck up. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-10-04 22:59 |
| #9 Mac: "The only solution is to run the Strip population into Egypt and the WB pop into Jordan, blow up Rafah and the Allenby Bridge, and tell the world that the "Palestinian problem" is now permanently solved." Zen: "Killing all of these disagreeable fucks is the only possible way to put an end to this insanity." I understand your frustration-I've had it with these f*ckwits, too. But do you know of a single political party willing to do what you describe? No. Would such a party be able to get a POTUS elected? No. Is it likely that EVERY SINGLE "ALLY" of the US except Israel is going to side with "Palestinians" on right of return? Yes. So we need to find another solution. I like your reciprocity idea, Zen. Or we could work the "absolutely-no-aspect-of-sharia-in-Israel" angle--property rights, divorce and marriage, penalties for theft and adultery-outlaw the whole shabang. |
| Posted by: Jules 2006-10-04 21:52 |
| #8 Abbas recognizes Israel because of pressure that the Zionists and the Americans are exercising on him. We understand this is part of his obligations and political calculations." All taqqiya, all the time. Unless Abbas publically denies this (a lot of good that would do anyway), all future credibility just went out the window, not that there was very much to begin with. Even if this is a calculated move to paint Abbas into a political corner, it really doesn't matter. Things have deteriorated way too far for much progress to be made with this current round of terrorist fuckwits. No one on the Palestinian side of the fence is the least interested in actually building anything. All they do is delude themselves and drool over the prospect of taking over Israel's vast wealth and resources without having to lift a hand. The one swift and final way to remove "right of return" from the table is to demand reciprocity in terms of Jewish right of return or compensation for their lost property as they were forced to move to Israel. The prospect of giving the Jews land or even a thin dime so repulses the Muslims that they would sooner fight to the death than consider such a notion. And that is what we really need to do. Killing all of these disagreeable fucks is the only possible way to put an end to this insanity. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-10-04 19:37 |
| #7 I agree. This is all garbage, as I've said many times before. The only solution is to run the Strip population into Egypt and the WB pop into Jordan, blow up Rafah and the Allenby Bridge, and tell the world that the "Palestinian problem" is now permanently solved. They'll bitch for a while--but they'll eventually accept it. |
| Posted by: mac 2006-10-04 19:34 |
| #6 "The base of our Fatah movement keeps dreaming of Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jaffa and Acco" So they can turn them into toilets like Gaza City and Ramallah. Ah, what a lofty goal. "There is an opportunistic class at the head of the Fatah leadership that for personal and political interests says it accepts the existence of Israel. There is no change in our official position. Fatah as a movement never recognized Israel. It is the PLO who did so for the reasons I mentioned." A Rantburgerer couldn't have said it better. Paleo Taquiyyah. When will people wake up? "recent opinion polls showing upwards of 70 percent of the Palestinian public does not support Israel's right to exist" The crux of the problem. A diseased group mentality that cannot be overcome by negotiation or concession. Debunking the myth of the 'palestinian people' ought to be at the center of all Israeli and US efforts, but alas, it is not. The day the US government and the Israeli government added the word 'palestinian' to their vocabulary, they were doomed to failure with these cretins. How do they cut their losses without causing the destruction of Isreal? The answer is that they cannot. In a war where the enemy's non-negotiable starting point is your destruction, your only option is to destroy them before they do the same to you. |
| Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-10-04 18:31 |
| #5 I'm amazed this is even "news". |
| Posted by: Darrell 2006-10-04 18:20 |
| #4 The "Right of Return" is seen by the Palestinians as a way to overwhelm Israel proper with Muslim voters before the planned differential population increase occurs. This is one aspect of Mahmoud Abbas' preferred method of erasing Israel from the map -- conquest by law and treaty rather than by the sword. Whether or not the head of the AAMB speaks for the entire Fatah conglomerate, the aims of all are the same, merely the methods differ. Those who truly wish for peaceful accomodation with Israel either speak of it very privately, or end up somehow dead, and that's been so since the 1920s. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2006-10-04 17:54 |
| #3 actually, AFAIK, AAMB is NOT considered the official military wing of Fatah. Fatah has several affiliated militant groups, plus the offical PA security forces which were dominated by Fatah before Hamas won the election, and which are still fighting to maintain Fatah control. AAMB was founded during the second intifada, apparently with support from Yasser Arafat, but that doesnt mean they have official status within Fatah. |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2006-10-04 16:55 |
| #2 "The "right of return" is widely seen by Israelis as a ploy to flood Israel with millions of Palestinians, thus threatening the country's Jewish character." Just to get a discussion going-what laws does Israel currently have in place regarding: * official state religion * rights of other faiths in Israel I imagine that most Rantburgers agree that right of return would be disastrous for Israeli Jews, but let's consider another way of confronting it. Isn't it possible that a future "right of return" agreement could be made toothless by enacting appropriate laws? We in the West are busy thinking about ways to decapitate sharia laws in our home countries; why shouldn't Israel think about ways of making "right of return" unattractive to Muslims? Just curious. |
| Posted by: Jules 2006-10-04 16:46 |
| #1 This fucker can't even hold together the patch of dirt and the lunatics he's in charge of now. Might wanna think about trying to do that first, and from the way he's going, that should keep Israel in existence for about 1000 more years. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2006-10-04 16:35 |