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Whipping up the rubes: Muslims protest against pope amidst calls for calm
2006-09-23
“Around 2,000 Hamas followers swelled the streets of the West Bank town of Ramallah, criticising Pope Benedict XVI, whom they said 'knew nothing about history'...”
Thousands of Palestinians on Friday led peaceful demonstrations across the Muslim world against the pope’s criticism of Islam, demanding a frank apology amidst appeals for dialogue and calm. Around 2,000 Hamas followers swelled the streets of the West Bank town of Ramallah, criticising Pope Benedict XVI, whom they said “knew nothing about history”.

“He should debate with Iranian scholars so logic replaces his irrelevant comments...”
Around 300 demonstrators filed into Tehran’s revolution square, burning US, British and Israeli flags and chanting “death to America” and “death to Israel”. “We want once again for the pope to apologise officially. He should debate with Iranian scholars so logic replaces his irrelevant comments,” said a leader of the protest. “We strongly condemn his comments and we ask Muslims and Christians to be alert in the face of attempts to create tension, and we ask the pope to correctly apologise,” he said. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has voiced respect for the pope and acknowledged that he had “modified” the offending remarks.

“Qaradawi accused the pope of saying things 'even a secondary school pupil should not say'...
Influential Qatari sheikh Yussef Al-Qaradawi accused the pope of saying things “even a secondary school pupil should not say”, in a sermon partly broadcast by Al-Jazeera. “The pope should have been prudent before making remarks that hurt a nation of a billion-and-a-half people,” said the Egyptian-born cleric.

“'The pope has shown himself to be like Hitler, Lenin and the contemporary dictator and bloodsucker Bush,' said the head of the Kabul provincial council, Habibullah Hisam...”
A gathering of around 300 angry scholars in Kabul called on mullahs across the country to use Friday prayers to read to their congregations the pope’s words. “In the history of humanity, the pope has shown himself to be like Hitler, Lenin and the contemporary dictator and bloodsucker Bush,” said the head of the Kabul provincial council, Habibullah Hisam.

“Hundreds of Muslims took part in what the organisers called a 'day of anger'...”
Meanwhile, thousands of Muslims from Cairo to Kuala Lumpur protested against the pope at mosques on Friday, demanding at least a full apology and in some cases a retraction of comments he made. At Cairo’s 10th century Al-Azhar mosque, hundreds of Muslims took part in what the organisers called a “day of anger”. The Friday preacher criticised the pope’s initial response to the controversy. “Not only do we not accept his apology, but his insulting words should be wiped out of the text,” he said.

Speakers after Friday prayers in Cairo linked the pope to the invasion or occupation of Arab and Muslim countries by the US, Israel and their allies. “Wake up Muslims! It’s a conspiracy between the pope and Bush!” said a banner strung between two mosque pillars.

“It looks as if the Vatican is providing religious justification for the wars waged in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said scholar Kamal Habib. In Malaysia, some 300 Muslims held a peaceful rally after Friday prayers. Waving anti-pope banners, supporters of the opposition Islamic party PAS demanded the pope resign and make a full apology. Former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad urged Muslims to refrain from violent protests similar to those held over the cartoons. Asked if Muslim anger over the comments was seen as linking Islam with violence was justified, he said, “Not to the point of burning embassies and such.”
Posted by:Fred

#7  Stalin's opinion of the pope reads like Ozymandius.
Posted by: Super Hose   2006-09-23 19:17  

#6  He should debate with Iranian scholars so logic replaces his irrelevant comments,” said a leader of the protest.

Ok, that's the second article about Muslims demanding a set-piece debate, with the Pope converting when his Muslim judges deem his arguments unconvincing. This is the behaviour of an aggressive religion once it believes itself to be secure and triumphant. When Christianity was still working to convert the pagans of Europe, mostly by the tribe and the kingdom (pursuade the ruler and his people were converted by royal fiat), the leading thinkers of Christianity wrote erudite and pursuasive Apologetics, and their best students argued in front of the kings against representatives of other faiths (one such king decided the Jewish representative was the most pursuasive, and the entire kingdom remained Jewish for several centuries before being conquered by the Russians) Once the Christian character of Europe was secure, the bishops developed the habit of calling forth the local rabbis to defend the Jews' refusal to accept Christianity, the various penalties for losing being execution, conversion or expultion, generally for the entire community.

Christianity has outgrown this behaviour. Clearly the noisier parts of the Muslim Ummah feel the time is ripe when they can enforce such a situation on the only leader of Christianity they are aware of.
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-09-23 17:41  

#5  Remember Stalin's words - "How many divisions does the Pope have?" I think it's time for Catholics in particular, and all non-Islamic religions, to create some "divisions" to counter the islamonuts. We need a pro-Pope rally in Washington, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Madrid, Mexico City, Lima, Toronto, Bulawayo, Johannesburg, Taipei, and anywhere else where there are non-Islamists. Let us show Islam that they're not the only one that can gather in great strength. I think such a display of unity would send shock waves through the Middle East like you wouldn't believe.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2006-09-23 16:03  

#4  Of course we could whine and seethe with the best of them, but why put aside the coffee and push away from the desk when we can send it world wide with a keyboard and a push of a button here in sunny Rantburg. Ranting with style and technology! :) Heh.

The cold men of the north no longer dance in the streets and scream. [Well maybe the Kos Kiddies and their throwbacks do in festive ritual.] We just quietly wait for the 'line' to be crossed and then act. Knowing that all along in the end itÂ’s just - Clean Up in Aisle 3. Maybe that is why the epidemic of obesity is sweeping the west. More dancing and seething and less typing? Something to think about, while I get another coffee.
Posted by: Snolumble Snemble9521   2006-09-23 10:26  

#3  "Whipping up the rubes" -- that says it all. Could be an entire category on Rantburg.
Posted by: regular joe   2006-09-23 08:50  

#2  One of the great revelations of my life was the discovery that the only way to learn history was by reading first person accounts of people who actually took part.

It made me realize that most of history as taught is merely ideology decorated with a few facts.

And if this is the real .com, welcome back bro. You are sorely missed.
Posted by: phil_b   2006-09-23 08:30  

#1  From the Clausewitz aricle on the Opinion page:

"At the macro level. The most effective retrospective meta-narratives rise to the national (or even global) level and acquire the status of “collective memories” — which, more often than not, have little to do with scholarly history. If there is one grand narrative that needs to be thoroughly deconstructed, it is that of “Western imperialism vs. Muslim victimization.” For nearly a thousand years, 711 until 1683, it was Islam which was on the offensive, and the West on the defensive, with a few sporadic counteroffensives (aka the Crusades). "

I guess Tony Corn will now have to dodge fatwas and hit teams, too.
Posted by: .com   2006-09-23 06:33  

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