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Home Front: Culture Wars
Flag-Burning Ky. Teacher Removed
2006-08-22
A middle school teacher in Louisville has been removed from the classroom after burning two American flags in class as part of a civics lesson. Dan Holden, a seventh-grade social studies teacher at Stuart Middle School, burned two flags Friday as part of a lesson on freedom of speech, said Jefferson County schools spokeswoman Lauren Roberts said. The students were asked to write an opinion paper on the flag burning, Roberts said.
Which their teacher, an authority figure, just did.
Holden, a teacher in the school district since 1979, has been reassigned to non-instructional duties while the incident is under investigation.

Roberts said the flag burning did not appear to be politically motivated, based on an interview with Holden.
It's hard for me to imagine a conservative Republican teacher burning an American flag as part of a 'civics lesson' for the classroom. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around that one.
The district also alerted city fire officials. "Certainly we're concerned about the safety aspect," Roberts said, along with "the judgment of using that type of demonstration in a class."

Pat Summers, whose daughter was in Holden's class, told The Courier-Journal of Louisville that more than 20 parents showed up at the school Monday, upset over the incident "She said, 'Our teacher burned a flag.' I'm like, 'What?"' Summers said.

Brent McKim, president of the Jefferson County Teachers Association, said Holden has "been teaching for many years, and has by all accounts a good teaching record. It was not a political statement and was meant to illustrate a controversial issue. To fire someone because of that would be inappropriate," he said. "It wasn't like he was taking one side or another."
I beg your pardon? The 'sides' are: it's okay to burn the US flag vs. it's not okay. We all KNOW it's legal. You just forceably took the position that it's an acceptable thing to do in a publicly funded institution.
Beth Wilson, director of Kentucky's American Civil Liberties Union, said the school district is allowed to decide what's instructionally appropriate. But "if a school is masking their objections to flag burning under the guise of safety, it raises questions about freedom of speech and academic freedom," she said. She said the ACLU would monitor the case but is not involved at this point.
The ACLU monitors everything and can .... ooops, kids might be reading this.
There are substantial limits on 'free speech' in K-12 classrooms. School boards and principals have the right to decide curricula and instructional methods. They have every reason to instruct their teaching staff that burning a flag is not a proper instructional method.
Stuart sixth-grader Kelsey Adwell, 11, said students were abuzz about the incident on Monday. "They just can't believe that a teacher would do that - burn two American flags in front of the class," she said. "A teacher shouldn't do that, even though it was an example."
Posted by:lotp

#18  or how about burning some of them hezbo's flags, there seem to be an abundance of them lately
Posted by: Jan   2006-08-22 23:37  

#17  Too bad he just didn't burn a mexican flag.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-08-22 20:41  

#16  :-) thx - Ima proud
Posted by: Frank G   2006-08-22 19:42  

#15  Congrats and thanks to your son, Frank! You done raised him right.
Posted by: lotp   2006-08-22 19:05  

#14  "...but what is a nugget?"

A butter bar! The most junior of junior officers. Their collar devices are a single gold bar.

Posted by: Texas Redneck   2006-08-22 18:07  

#13  And volunteers to become a nugget.

Ok, I'm hoping really, really hard I don't put my foot in it again and learn about another cameltoe, but what is a nugget?
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-08-22 16:32  

#12  no coincidence my son's about to enter the Army, and reads my National Review magazines. He's also a gamehead with excellent hand-eye coordination. I don't think he would've just sat there and let the teacher burn our flag - think of an 18yr old Rick Monday
Posted by: Frank G   2006-08-22 16:19  

#11  I think the school would be wise to focus on the fire danger of this stunt. As much as I disagree with his act, flag-burning is not illegal, and dragging the ACLU into it just--pardon the expression--fans the flames.
Posted by: Dar   2006-08-22 15:52  

#10  Here in KY the folks won't take kindly to this, honest teaching point or not. ACLU will have no effect, this guy's a gonner from teaching and should take care out in the parking lot.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2006-08-22 15:49  

#9  "For every 19 y/o who wants to serve his country and has his head on straight, there's another 19 y/o who goes to a radical leftist University instead..."

And volunteers to become a nugget. The kids I've seen have their heads screwed on straight (well, for 19 that is) But at either 19 and enlisted or 23 and officer, we are getting good people. By and large, the kids have finely tuned BS detectors and can spot a phony a mile away. And your modern leftist is nothing, if not a phony. Thus the "WTF" response to an in-school desecration of the flag.

The Xbox360 generation will do just fine.

Of course having said that, there are the few dew-eyed in the save the gay NAZI whales t-shirts. But not many, which is why at most college demonstrations and such, you get more faculty than students. This is the BEST the left can do today.
Posted by: Crolugum Graiter6458   2006-08-22 15:49  

#8  Perhaps we can bring copies of ACLU legal briefs into their offices and burn them. Free speach.


Posted by: DoDo   2006-08-22 15:28  

#7  SOP35. Just look at the 19 year-olds passing through Boot. They've just been through 12 years of Public School PC indoctrination and there's NOTHING wrong with them.

The PC left is losing. Badly.


I'm not as convinced. For every 19 y/o who wants to serve his country and has his head on straight, there's another 19 y/o who goes to a radical leftist University instead, and comes out a good little PC moonbat. If the PC left is losing so badly, how does a PC cretin like Algore get half the vote, or a lying socialist leftist like Kerry get nearly half? I don't see the recession of PC, but the advance. You can hardly breathe any more without some PC bastard telling you it's wrong.

What's the old saying? The first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-08-22 14:53  

#6  In places.
Posted by: lotp   2006-08-22 13:28  

#5  SOP35. Just look at the 19 year-olds passing through Boot. They've just been through 12 years of Public School PC indoctrination and there's NOTHING wrong with them.

The PC left is losing. Badly.
Posted by: Crolugum Graiter6458   2006-08-22 13:26  

#4  Just like burning a cross in the classroom would be accepted as a demonstration of 'free speech'. I'm sure the local Fire Marshal was impressed too.
Posted by: Angaviger Craiter1890   2006-08-22 13:00  

#3  A better didatic tool as well as a memorable pedagogical act would have been had the teacher gone Buddhist on the kids and set himself afire. Now that's one lesson the kiddies would remember for the rest of their lives.
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden   2006-08-22 12:16  

#2  He might have got away with it in CA, but in Kentucky hmmmmmm.
Posted by: djohn66   2006-08-22 12:07  

#1  How can young kids gain a perspective on reality when they are under the influence of nutbags & commies like this fool?
Posted by: SOP35/Rat   2006-08-22 11:49  

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