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| 'Never trust the US on Pakistan' |
| 2006-07-23 |
| By B. Raman There has been considerable disappointment in India over what is perceived as the continuing US reluctance to act against Pakistan for using terrorism against India. The negative attitude of President Bush and the US State Department in the wake of the Mumbai blasts of July 11 is nothing new. Protection of Pakistan from the consequences of its wrong-doing against India has been a consistent element in US policy-making towards India and Pakistan ever since our independence in 1947 -- whichever party was in power in Washington, DC. To illustrate this, I am giving below instances, which were within my personal knowledge as an officer of the Intelligence Bureau from July 1967 to September 1968, and of the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) from September 1968 to August 31, 1994: The Sino-Indian war of 1962 brought out the serious inadequacies in the IB's capability for the collection of technical intelligence about China. After obtaining then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru's approval, the IB sought the assistance of US intelligence for strengthening its TECHINT capability. |
| Posted by:john |
| #9 spread by troopships going back home after the war to end all wars |
| Posted by: pihkalbadger 2006-07-23 21:56 |
| #8 "They suspect that pakistan is being shielded." Well, yes! is the US not being touchy feelly around India cos of the need to keep the paks onside on the WOT. 25 odd million deaders, more than ww2(inc russia) from the 1918 HN51 |
| Posted by: pihkalbadger 2006-07-23 21:50 |
| #7 In wars before WWII (or WWI?) the largest cause of death among combatants was usually disease. A Sino-Indian war might well be a great breeding ground. It is also hard to see any disease striking China and India missing Bangladesh. That would run the numbers up and send it toward Indonesia. RAB needs to keep those vaccinations up to date. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2006-07-23 19:19 |
| #6 "Literally, one billion people could die on that side of the planet, the vast majority of them the uneducated, rural peasants." Actually the number is closer to 2 billion if you're counting India and China together. Fully 80% of the Indian population is uneducated and not that interested in changing. Tribalism is mostly to blame. I'd root for H5N1 as well, except my wife is Indian, and the flu is indiscriminate. I suspect that War will be the mechanism that culls the herd. It's indiscriminate too. Islam and tribalism are the biggest hurdles facing humankind, and I don't see anything changing for a while. -M |
| Posted by: Manolo 2006-07-23 18:51 |
| #5 This is also a political spat between the Indian PM Manmohan Singh and the former foreign Minister Jaswant Singh. In his book, Jaswant Singh mentions that Henry Kissinger confirmed the existence of a CIA mole within the cabinet of Indira Gandhi. He then alleges that another mole exists. The PM has challenged him today to name the mole. As I said, a lot of bruised egos. |
| Posted by: john 2006-07-23 17:16 |
| #4 India needs to give itself a serious housecleaning before considering even openly hostile other countries. Both India and China have new cultures of modernity and prosperity, but are overwhelmed by primitives and peasants who don't belong in the 20th Century, much less the 21st. Their unwillingness to evolve means that St Darwin is going to kick their ass. And one of the best possibilities is the avian flu, like a wildfire in the tall grass. Literally, one billion people could die on that side of the planet, the vast majority of them the uneducated, rural peasants. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2006-07-23 16:57 |
| #3 Raman is whining because of two things. First is the Indian discovery of two spy rings.. one in the Navy war room, the other in the secretariat of the Prime Minister. This follows the defection of a senior RAW officer to the US. Reportedly the Indians have stopped all RAW sharing of intelligence with the CIA. The cyber forum for counter-terror info sharing (run from the PMO secretariat) has also ben shut down after its penetration by the CIA. Egos are bruised. Then yesterday, while Indians were sending a team to Kenya to bring back Syed Abdul Karim `Tunda,', arrested in Kenya. He was a top LeT honch who planned a number of bombings and knew a lot about ISI backing of terror ops inside India. The Kenyans then announced that it was a case of mistaken identity. 'Tunda' was in fact a west african man and he had been deported to a third country. Kenyan papers report the FBI grabbed him. The Indians don't believe the explanation about mistaken identity. They suspect that pakistan is being shielded. |
| Posted by: john 2006-07-23 16:47 |
| #2 Oh come on. In the 70s-80s Pakland was our front line against the Russians and Iranians in the region while India was buying arms from the Soviets and boasting about their 'unaligned-ness'. Why should we have done anything for them? Today with the Russians out of the picture and Afganinstan in control, thing might be different. But this whining does no good - grow up and take some international responsibility and you might get better treatment. |
| Posted by: Oldcat 2006-07-23 16:17 |
| #1 The bit about the timer is mind boggling... |
| Posted by: john 2006-07-23 13:35 |