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Francifada 2.0 Night Two: stoning infidel cops
2006-06-01
Dozens of youths stoned a police station early Wednesday in a second night of trouble in a rough Paris suburb, as authorities arrested a youth whose injury — along with the death of two friends — sparked last year's wave of rioting. Street violence opposing local gangs and police continued late Tuesday and early Wednesday in both towns, as youths attacked a police station, set ablaze a dozen cars and rained stones down on public buildings.

Four police officers were lightly wounded while protecting the Montfermeil police station from stoning by a gang of around 30 youths. Four other officers, visibly rattled, managed to get out of their car, in front of the Bosquets public housing estate on the border of the two towns, after youths set it on fire, AFP witnessed. A helicopter with a spotlight canvassed the neighbourhood throughout the night, on the alert for new flare-ups. Five youths were arrested — among them Muhittin Altun, who narrowly escaped electrocution in October after hiding from the police in a power sub-station. Altun, released Wednesday morning with a court summons, was detained in Clichy-sous-Bois on charges of pitching rocks at a police car. His lawyer denied the charge.

The Montfermeil area has been tense since the centre-right mayor passed a tough anti-crime decree — later blocked by the courts — forbidding young people from gathering in the streets. On Monday, the Montfermeil town hall and the mayor's home were attacked by gangs of masked youths wielding sticks and baseball bats. A 250-man police contingent was sent to quell the unrest, which left seven officers lightly injured.

France's tough interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, pledged late Tuesday he would clamp down on any further violence. "I won't let chaos be stirred up anywhere in France," he said. Speaking to a group of policemen, he described Monday's violence in Montfermeil as a well-orchestrated strike. "More than 100 troublemakers set upon you, masked and carrying weapons," he said. "It's impossible to deny the evidence: this was premeditated."

Left-wing municipal authorities in Montfermeil said Monday's incidents were sparked by the "heavy-handed" arrest of a woman from the Bosquets estate whose son was wanted in connection with a robbery. But Sarkozy brushed aside the criticism — saying said it showed only that "by battling delinquency, we have upset some of the delinquents." Two police unions, Alliance and the SCHFPN, charged meanwhile that a "weak judicial response" to local crime had "encouraged a hard core of delinquents".
Posted by:Seafarious

#14  During the "student" protests this spring, the cops were griping about all of the extra work. They were working as many as (mon dieu!) 47 hours a week.
Posted by: Seafarious   2006-06-01 17:03  

#13  Simply, they were not meant to enforce the law and order, as there is NO political will.
At some point the police are going to provide the will and their own ROE.
Posted by: 6   2006-06-01 16:36  

#12  Should be "no survivors among the rioters."

Give 'em 2-3 chances to disperse, then open up on 'em.
Posted by: mojo   2006-06-01 16:11  

#11  The French need to break some heads. This won't stop until the penalty for it is greater than the reward ("self-esteem", feeling of power). I mean BREAK HEADS, and hands, and feet, and knees, and arms, literally. Don't shoot the little bas####s, but break their bones. Let them remember the rest of their lives what happens when you decide you're bigger than the rest of the world. Unfortunately, it takes guts and the willingness to send a few of the ringleaders to the mortuary to make it work, something I don't think the French are capable of at the moment. If this continues, however, they may actually develop a spine - or die trying.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2006-06-01 15:05  

#10  The Image of a French Police Officer with a MP5 or Beretta M12 is pretty vivid for me. These were cops on the street carrying sub guns. To bad that they can't cut lose. It would only take a few times and this "problem" would be solved.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2006-06-01 14:51  

#9  Yes, they are armed : non-lethal weapons including "flashballs" impact stun devices and CS grenade launchers, pepper spray (I think we still prefer teargas), tonfas, saps, ye olde 12 gauges pump shotgun, some carbines like the Ruger mini-14, various smgs, notably the Beretta m12, hk mp5, various handguns,... some of them coppers are actually well-known for taking names and kicking *ss (Bac anti-gangs brigades, CRS and Gendarmes mobiles anti-riot units, various swat type units like the regional GIPN), they've got recognized high quality anti-terrorist units (GIGN, EPIGN, RAID),... but they can't fight back, both paramiltary police and civilian police.

I mean, they can defend themselves, bash in a few heads, etc, etc... but they are not to antagonize when confronted.

You've got to understand that the main motto of the "tough on crime" Sarko during the ramadan riots was "no casualty among the rioters". So, police had to leave them burn cars, not to act out too harshly, and avoid clashes.
So, there were real ambushes of police units, trapped and surrounded, with the reinforcement meant to bail them out trapped by the responding reinformcement of Youths (thanks, mighty cellphone, truly the best weapon of french Youths, able to summit a posse in no time), there were actual reports of riot police being shot at and not even responding or chasing the culprit...

The french police during the riots was outstanding by its self-control and endurance.
Simply, they were not meant to enforce the law and order, as there is NO political will. And the riots were only an exacerbated example of that long-running "response" of french authorities, which prefer to let the underground economy flourish, so peace can prevail.

One reason Sarko is HATED in the 'hoods, beside his phony "tough on crime" media image (with the help of the leftists & msm, but I repeat myself, who diabolize him, as he's actually some kind of real conservative in the french political scenery), and his supposed jewishness (remember the "Sarko dirty jew" shouts?), is that he established anti-organized crime regional units which are actual efficient at rooting out that underground economy based on cannabis traffic from Morocco (80% of all european production).
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-06-01 14:33  

#8  Are French Police armed?
If not, why not?
If yes, why don't they use their weapons?

Makes no sense.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2006-06-01 14:11  

#7  A mob tries to burn policemen alive in their cars and there is no response.

Tells you all you need to know.
Posted by: lotp   2006-06-01 13:23  

#6  "Five youths were arrested — among them Muhittin Altun, who narrowly escaped electrocution in October after hiding from the police in a power sub-station...His lawyer denied the charge."

Your honor, my client not only denies this charge but the last charge as well. In fact, he would like to dispense with all the formalities and deny any and all charges that may or may not occur in the future.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2006-06-01 13:15  

#5  The French have updated their terror alert status from "Run" to "Hide". Only two left..."Surrender" and "Collaborate".
Posted by: OregonGuy   2006-06-01 11:55  

#4  Amalekite civil war, act 1.5.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-06-01 11:30  

#3  No I think what will happen is Madam Guilloine gets rolled out for the elite that allowed the Islamocancer to metastatise in France.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2006-06-01 07:46  

#2  I could give a rat's @$$, I'm connected to these wingnuts by a tunnel with a high-speed train link. Pretty soon I'll be just miles away from Europe's most powerful Islamic nuclear state.
Posted by: Sharia Camembert   2006-06-01 04:03  

#1  Left wing municipal authorities...openly siding with the "youths". So long Frawntz...nice knowing ya. OK..I lied, it wasn't all that nice, and I could truly give a rats @$$.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2006-06-01 01:55  

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