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Caribbean-Latin America
Mexicans Denounce Senate Border Plan
2006-05-18
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico - Mexican lawmakers angrily denounced a measure approved by the U.S. Senate to build new border fences, and illegal immigrants vowed to skirt them and cross into U.S. territory anyway.

But the administration of Mexican President Vicente Fox, which had called the fence proposal "shameful" and "stupid" as recently as December, was conspicuously silent after the Senate bill passed Wednesday — perhaps because the measure also opens the door for millions of undocumented Mexicans to achieve some legal status in the United States.

"There are so many of us, most with families and roots in the United States. They are never going to stop us from crossing," said Julio Cesar Gutierrez, a 21-year-old from the western city of Guadalajara who was planning to swim across the Rio Grande into Texas from the border city of Nuevo Laredo. "We will dig under a wall, go over one. If the authorities over there want a war, we will fight."

Gutierrez, who was wearing a Washington Nationals baseball cap and a backpack carrying bottled water, said he had crossed three previous times and worked as a cook in Houston but was deported each time.

"They want to treat migrants like criminals," he said. "All we want to do is work."

The Senate agreed to give many illegal immigrants a shot at U.S. citizenship, but also backed construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the southern border. It is unclear where the new barriers would be built, though some have speculated they could go up in an area that includes Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas.

The measure, which has yet to clear the House, comes as President Bush continues to flesh out his plans to deploy 6,000 National Guard soldiers along the border to support the Border Patrol.

In Mexico City, lawmakers from Fox's conservative National Action Party and both major opposition parties denounced the initiative.

"It's a lamentable development and more evidence of a step backward in bilateral relations between Mexico and the United States," said Inti Munoz, a spokesman for House lawmakers from the leftist Democratic Revolution Party. "The construction of a wall and the militarization of the border are signs that speak of the absolute failure and lack of Mexican foreign policy."

Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said late Wednesday that the government would not immediately comment on the Senate bill. Just days earlier, the Fox administration was quick to express concern that Bush's National Guard plan could "militarize" the border region.

In December, the Mexican president said extending border walls was "shameful," and Derbez called a U.S. House proposal to do so "stupid."

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador — a fiery Fox critic and the Democratic Revolution Party's presidential candidate in July 2 elections — called the president's silence on the Senate bill a sign of weakness.

"The truth is the federal government and the president have no authority," Lopez Obrador said Wednesday. "And for that reason, Mexicans who cross the border out of necessity are being humiliated."

Migrants preparing to cross the border in Nuevo Laredo said they would prefer to climb walls than make dangerous trips through the desert into Arizona and New Mexico, routes that have become popular since U.S. authorities fortified barriers separating San Diego and Tijuana.

"In the desert, smoke rises from the ground and you can die while you're walking," Gutierrez said. "The river here, even with a wall, is easier."

Jose Antonio Maldonado, a 16-year-old from Honduras who was trying to make it into the United States illegally for the first time, said he had no family or friends across the border and was unsure where to find work if he succeeded in crossing.

"We have withstood days of train rides, risking our lives without eating, without sleeping, to get to the border," he said, detailing the trip from his homeland. Central Americans traveling without proper documents in Mexico face deportation and often complain of being beaten or extorted by corrupt authorities.

"If there were a wall here, or any other obstacle, we'd overcome it," he said.

Posted by:mcsegeek1

#13  So far from God, so close to the United States.
Posted by: 6   2006-05-18 17:20  

#12  Dang...my "give a sh** meter's" busted again.
Posted by: anymouse   2006-05-18 15:10  

#11  Hmmm...and just what does your own Constitution say...

Article 33 - Foreigners are those who do not possess the qualities determined in Article 30. They have the right to the guarantees of Chapter I of the first title of this Constitution, but the Executive of the Union has the exclusive right to expel from the national territory, immediately and without necessity of judicial proceedings, all foreigners whose stay it judges inconvenient. Foreigners may not, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the country.

But then of course it also says -

Article 34 - Citizens of the Republic are those men and women, who having the quality of Mexican nationality, have the following requisites besides:
I. Have attained the age of eighteen years;
II. Have an honest way of living.


which means that most politicians in Mexico are not citizens themselves.
Posted by: Angeash Glineque4857   2006-05-18 15:04  

#10  DV - Want Mexico? LOL. Call the Texas Rangers. I'll bet they remember Jack Hays. His Texas Rangers did the dirty work, lead the attacks on fortified positions, maintained lines of communications, kept guerrilla forces off Scott's shiny US Army, and took the blame for any and all lapses of chivalry... some of it well deserved, LOL. The Rangers learned how to fight no-quarter war from the tribes they had to control. A lost skill we desperately need to re-acquire. They might enjoy a weekend outing. :)
Posted by: eniac   2006-05-18 13:40  

#9  You want a war? Do you even remember how badly you had your asses handed to you last time?

Broadhead6, post a link here when you do!
Posted by: DarthVader   2006-05-18 13:23  

#8  "If there were a wall here, or any other obstacle, we'd overcome it"

A fitting epitaph to post over a pile of bleached bones.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2006-05-18 12:55  

#7  This morning I went to www.congress.org and sent an email to my state senators and district rep at the same time. I'm trying to find the letter on the website now (I think it takes a few hours or maybe a day to post & unfortunately I didn't cut/paste it to a word doc) and cut and paste it to this thread so you can see the course of action I proposed wrt illegal immigration & securing the border. If any of you get the chance I highly recommend you telling your elected officials how you feel - good, bad, or indifferent. I did so but also proposed (somewhat coherently) solutions to the problem vice just whining.

There are so many people in congress that just need to go. As soon as I retire from the Corps I'm running for local, state, or federal - I have some time to figure which. I've had enough of this shite from these p*ssies.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-05-18 12:07  

#6  Bush needs to turn the debate into a debate about the failure of Mexico.

Mexico is a failure and these proud-Mexicans that come to the US should either (a) be shamed Mexicans who want to be Yanks or (b) not come to the USA. It is the combination that is poison.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2006-05-18 11:14  

#5  You'll fight, you say? Works for me. Bring it on.
Posted by: SR-71   2006-05-18 10:31  

#4  And in other news vandals decry streetlights and crooks condemn locked doors.
Posted by: BrerRabbit   2006-05-18 10:30  

#3  Gutierrez, who was wearing a Washington Nationals baseball cap and a backpack carrying bottled water, said he had crossed three previous times and worked as a cook in Houston but was deported each time.

How about the next time he gets caught he does about 10 years in prison before he gets deported again?

Central Americans traveling without proper documents in Mexico face deportation and often complain of being beaten or extorted by corrupt authorities.

Jeez, why don't they have a big march in Mexico City to demand their "rights"?
Posted by: tu3031   2006-05-18 10:12  

#2  It makes me laugh. These people are insufficiently serious to cause infuriation. It's sort of like how one reacts to the 1 year old who throws lunch from the high chair onto the floor. It will take time, it will take patience, but the children can be trained.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-05-18 10:08  

#1  "We will dig under a wall, go over one. If the authorities over there want a war, we will fight."

If this does not infuriate you, you are not capable of being infuriated.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-05-18 10:05  

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