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Muslim-abortion link furore
2006-02-14
PRIME Minister John Howard must distance himself from comments on Muslims made by Liberal backbencher Danna Vale and force her to apologise to the Australian people, minor party senators say.
Does anybody pay attention to what minor party senators say?
Ms Vale has caused a furore by tying debate over the abortion drug RU486 with published comments by an imam saying Australia would be a Muslim state in 50 years. She said Australians were aborting themselves out of existence and at the current rate of 100,000 a year "that's five million potential Australians we won't have here."
So she's supposed to grovel for pointing out the obvious?
Australian Democrats leader Lyn Allison said the comments were outrageous. "I think they're outrageous and she should retract them," Senator Allison told reporters. "They're very unfortunate from almost every point of view."
Except that of truth, of course...
"I've heard those very silly remarks made about immigrants to this country since I was a child. If it wasn't the Greeks, it was the Italians ... or it was the Vietnamese who were going to outbreed us – it's a nonsense." Asked if she thought Mr Howard should pull Ms Vale into line, Senator Allison replied: "Yes, I do, yes I do.
"Yes! I want to see her humiliated! I want to see her degraded! I want to see her paraded naked through the streets..."
"Take your hands outta yer lap, Senator! That's disgusting!"
"I think the prime minister should come out and say that was ill-considered and that she ought to apologise. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Let's see him get off the fence for a change and reprimand his coalition members and just tell Australians where he stands on these issues, what are his values, does he support that kind of comment and if he doesn't, he should say so."
"We wanta see him grovel, too! We wanta see him naked — Ow! Hey! That hurt!"
Ms Vale – whose southern Sydney electorate takes in areas hit by racial strife – yesterday joined four other female coalition colleagues in opposing attempts to strip Health Minister Tony Abbott of his approval powers over the abortion drug RU486. But Senator Allison, who co-sponsored the private member's bill now before parliament to hand authority for RU486 over to the Therapeutic Goods Administration, said Ms Vale's argument did not hold true. "The point I made in my speech in parliament on this issue was that you cannot coerce women into motherhood – it never did work, it's not going to work in the future, it doesn't work now," Senator Allison said.
"We realize this. We're against motherhood, y'know. Apple pie's fattenting, so we're against that, too."
It's not like they play baseball, ya know.
Fellow Democrats senator Andrew Bartlett said Mr Howard should dissociate his government from Ms Vale's comments.
"Yes! Throw her out! Throw her out naked!"
"Cheeze. Wotta buncha pervs. No wonder nobody votes for you!"
Senator Bartlett also referred to comments made last year by government backbenchers Bronwyn Bishop and Sophie Panopoulos describing the wearing of Muslim headscarves in Australian schools as an act of defiance. "This Islamophobia is just getting out of control and it's quite dangerous if it's allowed to be repeated by senior politicians of the governing party without clear condemnation by the prime minister," Senator Bartlett said.
"Better if they just stick with being mealy mouthed and politically correct, like we do."
Asked if Ms Vale's comments were simply a left-field argument for keeping the administration of RU486 out of a bureaucratic control, Senator Bartlett replied: "I don't know if it's left-field, it's off the planet is what it is."
"I mean, whoever hearda such a thing? They oughta..."
"Yeah, yeah. You said that."
Australian Greens senator Rachel Siewert said many people would take offence at Ms Vale's comments. "I think they're insensitive, I think she actually needs to concentrate on the real issues and I think she's completely off the mark," Senator Siewert said. "I think she needs to sit down and have a good think about it."
Posted by:tipper

#14  Right on, RW! I, and Mrs. BA just had our 2nd future Rantburger! Lookin' at three, possibly. "It's for the children" ya know!
Posted by: BA   2006-02-14 15:45  

#13  Mrs. Rightwing and myself have just had our 4th Judeo-Roman Catholic-native American child. Interesting ethnic balance, I do agree but one firmly entrenched conservative family values. Being in the Fire Service I do see some of the horrors of Ghetto demographics. We do need to integrate some minorities better. My family is an example of success.
Posted by: Rightwing   2006-02-14 15:11  

#12  Boy, it's really gonna suck when those 2 issues (Islamic immigration vs. American's aborting themselves out of existence) go head to head here in the States. I've often wondered of these projections, though, how much INTEGRATION plays a role. For example, most Muslims I know here in the U.S. are actually only having 1-2 kids per couple (like the American "standard"), so I take that as them becoming more American. I guess the melting pot still lives more here than in Europe, though.
Posted by: BA   2006-02-14 13:53  

#11  If the buttons don't work for you, try Opera.
Posted by: Fred   2006-02-14 13:22  

#10  This Islamophobia is just getting out of control and it's quite dangerous...

Yeah! It's not like Islam is used to justify gang rapes, riots, and terrorism!
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2006-02-14 08:03  

#9  Your posts are great, no criticism intended, bro. :-)

I'll add that they're after "live" prey, too - they certainly seem to have a serious woodie for Thailand, for instance.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-14 07:56  

#8  Yes, I see your point; IMHO it is a predator against "live" foes like the USA, Israel, India,... which are "ennemies" to be fought, while when it comes to Europe, it is a carrion, for lack of better words.

Sorry if I always repeat the same stuff, but the real prize of islam nowadays is Europe, as emphasized by Al qaradawi, who expressly sez that "islam will return to Europe as a conqueror, not by the sword, but by dawa". Theses guys truly believe, as many, many, many "Moderate (european) Muslims"(tm) secretly, that Europe will be theirs before the turn of 21st century, and they're probably right if nothing changes.

It's a concerted, willful effort by the "islamintern", using population shift, subversion, and corruption, with the complicity of the euro-Elites. I do believe in the Eurabia thesis.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-02-14 07:49  

#7  A quibble:

"it [Islam] is not a predator, it is a carrion feeding off suicidal West"

It does both.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-14 06:43  

#6  The "outbreed" argument is actually very valid.
Australia really should care, and kudos to this lady.

This is even one of the major weapon of the *colonization* of Europe and other parts of the world by muslim minorities bankrolled by the islamintern.

There are about 300 000 abortions in France each year, and about 350 000-500 000 migrants entering the country (not counting the kiddies under 15); you do the maths... add the low "ethnic french" natality (1,2 I've heard) against the higher african natality (2,5 for north Africans, 5,5 for black africans), for a total of 1,94 in 2005, and you've got a recipe for disaster, especially when taking age into account.
According to a left-leaning but very un-pc scholar, JP Gourévitch, in his famous book based on suimple and realistical demographical projections, nothing fancy, in 2060 about 2/3 of the french population will be muslim.

Supposedly, right now about 1/3 of the births in France come from migrants, a contreversial figure I've re-heard recently during a tv debate, by a leftist woman who was *happy* the migrants helped "repopulate France by providing 30% of the births". Of course, it didn't occur to her that the need to "repopulate" was because she and her Frankfurt school gramscist buddies destroyed western civilization, and made it enter a deathspiral with natality almost at half-remplacement level everywhere in Europe.

Modernity as it is now is simply unsustainable. I'm not anti-abortion/pro life per se, I'm not opposed to homosexuality, I do believe in personal freedom, but when in Rome recently you've got a demonstration against Benedict XVI and in support of free-abortion and homosexual marriage, you can't help to wonder at the nihilism and "anti-life" message this carries.

I like "Spengler" in Asia Times, and I fully suscribe to his(?) views. Truly, we're entering an age of extinction, and some civilizations are dying... and it's suicide. Islam itself faces dire prospects, but it is not a predator, it is a carrion feeding off suicidal West.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-02-14 06:37  

#5  Bummer. Sorry, bro.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-14 04:15  

#4   If this doesn't work with the browser you're using, such as Mozilla Firefox, blame them

Hmmmm..... bugger :-(
Posted by: Classer   2006-02-14 04:13  

#3  In the post comment window, simply create some descriptive text - even "Link" will do, lol - highlight it with your mouse, click the "Link button" you see just below the text box you're typing in, and fill in the URL. Very easy if you've already put the URL in the cut/paste buffer.

If this doesn't work with the browser you're using, such as Mozilla Firefox, blame them - and change browsers.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-14 03:28  

#2  Australian Greens senator Kerry Nettle had no problem offending Catholics though! (and if someone could explain the proper way to add a link I'd be grateful :-) )

Posted by: Classer   2006-02-14 03:13  

#1  Australian Greens senator Rachel Siewert said many people would take offence at Ms Vale's comments. "I think they're insensitive, I think she actually needs to concentrate on the real issues

The now generation in action.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-02-14 01:43  

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