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Iran starts enrichment work
2006-02-14
Iran notched up the brinksmanship over its disputed nuclear programme Monday, abruptly postponing talks with Moscow on a plan to enrich Tehran's uranium on Russian territory to allay fears it is building an atomic weapon. Diplomats in Vienna, Austria, told the Associated Press, meanwhile, that Iran had started small-scale enrichment of uranium, a process that can produce fuel for an atomic bomb.

"Uranium gas has been fed into three machines," one senior diplomat said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak on the matter. Another diplomat confirmed that limited enrichment had begun at Iran's Natanz site. State-run Iranian television later reported that Alaeddin Boroujerdi, head of the national security and foreign relations committee in parliament, said the country began its peaceful nuclear enrichment activities Monday. Boroujerdi said inspectors from the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) were present.
Posted by:Fred

#16  and protect.....
Posted by: Frank G   2006-02-14 22:59  

#15  Concur with DB. Something that enormous would produce significant MASINT...(measuring and signals intelligence). The larger the activity, the more difficult it is to effectively hide.
Posted by: Besoeker   2006-02-14 22:53  

#14  Great info, DB - Thx!
Posted by: .com   2006-02-14 22:49  

#13  As far as I know the ammount of electricity used is still classified. At least, I can't find any information on it. TVA supplied the electricity to Oak Ridge. There is a generating plant just up-stream that was built for the purpose. It's hydroelectric. I must say, however, the generator supplied more than just the K-25 plant, but I don't think it's feasable to build something that big underground.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2006-02-14 19:56  

#12  How much electricity did the Oak Ridge plant need? Is it possible to bury that kind of generating power?
Posted by: Snuns Thromp1484   2006-02-14 19:30  

#11  Just for information.
The K-25 gaseous diffusion plant at Oak Ridge required 4000 stages. This plant was one-half mile long and six stories high and covered 43 acres. The production of a suitable barrier was the key to successful separation. The holes must be microscopic (approximately one-millionth of an inch in diameter) and uniform in size. The porosity must always be high to sustain high flow rates and the barrier must not react with the highly corrosive hexafluoride. Nickel and aluminum oxide were best suited for barrier materials. Diffusion equipment is large and consumes significant amounts of energy. The entire system must be leak free; no air can be allowed in and no uranium hexafluoride can be allowed out. By the spring of 1945, Oak Ridge had shipped approximately 132 lbs. of enriched uranium (approximately 90% U-235) to Los Alamos, New Mexico. This was used in "Little Boy", the bomb dropped on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945. The majority of fission weapons since that time have used plutonium. Uranium enrichment is currently used to produce fuel (3 to 4% U-235) for civilian nuclear reactors.

Posted by: Deacon Blues   2006-02-14 15:43  

#10  Messing around with uranium hexaflouride gas is extremely dangerous. The gaseous diffusion plant at Oak Ridge was at one time the largest area under one roof in the world. This would be a HUGE facility. I don't remember how many centrifuges are in the plant at Oak Ridge but I don't think it's 20,00.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2006-02-14 15:37  

#9  I read an estimate somewhere that it would take something like two years to manufacture and test the 20,000 centrifuges. That was a best case, so it probably assumes they have sufficient precision machining equipment for mass production. That also probably assumes they have a quality control infrastructure and the kind of work environment conducive to efficient and low defect production. (Does that sound palusible?) But also that is the easiest part. There is A LOT more to it than that, like making it work as a system.
Posted by: HV   2006-02-14 15:07  

#8  "Diplomats in Vienna...one senior diplomat said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak on the matter...Another diplomat confirmed..."

Well there ya have it...after all they're diplomats dammit! Not only that, they're European diplomats.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2006-02-14 14:32  

#7  Now THAT's cleaning up after yourself!
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2006-02-14 12:27  

#6  Outing yerself, MoO?

LOL.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-14 01:40  

#5  
Cleanup on aisle 5.
Posted by: Master of Obvious   2006-02-14 01:23  

#4  Has anyone seen a good estimate of how many centrifuges they actually have? I've seen numbers from 20 (leaked by western intel services) to 20,000 (from anti-mullah expatriates). Natanz is supposed to be able to handle 20,000 centrifuges. Is that estimate based on floor space or the size of the electrical substation? Someone out there must be doing an open source analysis. Hell, with Google Earth and the brainpower here, we ought to be able to figure something out. I already figured out how much juice it takes to make a uranium bomb (posted here a couple of weeks ago) and was able to obtain a same order of magnitude answer on a calculator* on the Urenco site. If a bonehead like me can get in the ball park then maybe we can figure out how far Iran's gotten.

An aside: if government analysts are as lazy as business analysts, then it's no wonder that the data leaking out is so unreliable. When the dot com bubble burst, all of them were out to lunch. I don't think that a one of them got off their asses to check the production queues in Asia and Mexico. None of them were analyzing. 99% of them were just blowing smoke. Yet the information was widely available and was well known within the industry.

* Do the freakin Euros ever learn? Jeez, just give every 3rd rate dictator in the world a handy calculator so he can figure out exactly how much ore, electricity, and industrial plant he'll need to build his own bomb. Excuse me while I go build a bomb shelter in the back yard now.
Posted by: 11A5S   2006-02-14 00:51  

#3  The gauntlet is getting ready to be thrown down -the USA either accepts nuclear Iran, and by extens North Korea, etal., which in the long run also makes the NPT useless; or it does not. The USA = WORLD accepts the Islamic Extremists/
Radicals future GLOBAL CLAIPHATE, or does not. Its a given already that Dubya will be blamed for both new 9-11's inside America as well as Iran having the bomb = failing to prevent Iran from having the bomb, ala IFF AMERICA DOES NOT ATTACK AND WAGE WAR, AMERICA WILL BE ATTACKED AND WARRED AGAINST, NO MATTER WHAT POLICIES DUBYA ENACTS. FTLG, people, STAY ARMED AND READY!
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-02-14 00:25  

#2  Heh, as if they ever stopped.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-14 00:19  

#1  "kick me, dammit, I like it"
Posted by: Frank G   2006-02-14 00:19  

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