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Thousands would die in US strikes on Iran, says study
2006-02-13
A surprise American or Israeli air strike on Iranian nuclear sites could cause a large number of civilian as well as military casualties, says a report published today. The report, Iran: Consequences of a War, written by Professor Paul Rogers and published by the Oxford Research Group, draws comparisons with Iraq. It says the civilian population in that country had three weeks to prepare for war in 2003, giving people the chance to flee potentially dangerous sites. But Prof Rogers says attacks on Iranian facilities, most of which are in densely populated areas, would be surprise ones, allowing no time for such evacuations or other precautions.
Which is why the Mad Mullahs built the facilities in densely-populated locations in the first place, so as to use their own people as hostages against an attack. Don't expect Prof Rogers to acknowledge that, as it would be inconvenient to his 'report'.
"Military deaths in this first wave of attacks would be expected to be in the thousands," he says. "Civilian deaths would be in the many hundreds at least, particularly with the requirement to target technical support for the nuclear and missile infrastructure, with many of the factories being located in urban areas."
That would indeed be unfortunate, since we don't want to kill civilians and don't deliberately target them. But we just might have to take out the Iranian nuclear potential, and the deaths of civilians, though awful and tragic (seriously), won't stop us if it comes down to it.
The death toll would eventually be much higher if Iran took retaliatory action and the United States responded, or if the US took pre-emptive military action in addition to strikes on nuclear sites.

Prof Rogers, of the University of Bradford's peace studies department, says: "A military operation against Iran would not ... be a short-term matter but would set in motion a complex and long-lasting confrontation. It follows that military action should be firmly ruled out and alternative strategies developed."
Well of course, but that's what Prof Rogers wanted to prove in the first place.
Prof Rogers says the aim of an attack would be to set back Iran's nuclear programme by at least five years. He lists the expected targets as the Tehran Research Reactor, a radioisotope production facility, a range of nuclear-related laboratories, and the Kalaye Electric Company, all in Tehran, and facilities in Isfahan and Natanz. "The new reactor nearing completion at Bushehr would be targeted, although this could be problematic once the reactor is fully fuelled and goes critical some time in 2006," he says. "Once that has happened, any destruction of the containment structure could lead to serious problems of radioactive dispersal affecting not just the Gulf coast but west Gulf seaboards in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates."
Which is why the Israelis nailed Osirak just before it was fueled.
He adds: "All the initial attacks would be undertaken more-or-less simultaneously, in order to kill as many of the technically competent staff as possible, therefore doing the greatest damage to longer-term prospects."

Iran would be unable to prevent such an attack, as it has only limited air defences. But Prof Rogers says it has a large arsenal of responses. It could:
· withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty and pursue speedy development of nuclear weapons capability;

· encourage retaliatory action against Israel by the Lebanese-based Hizbullah group, which has missiles capable of hitting Haifa and several other Israeli cities;

· close the Strait of Hormuz, one of the main access routes for oil from the Gulf;

· send Iranian paramilitary units into states such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates;

· or order Iranian Revolutionary Guards to step up links with insurgents in Iraq.
Prof Rogers says a US or Israeli attack could also help al-Qaida by increasing the anti-US mood in the region and beyond.
Oh, the seething and eye-rolling that would follow! At the same time, everyone would understand that Mahmoud and the Mad Mullahs™ would no longer be the strong horse.
Posted by:Steve White

#13  What a waste of oxygen and dead trees. This "being" needs to be used as bait for Nessie.

1. What happens if Iran develops a 50kt nuke? It slams into Tel Aviv, and 70,000 or more die.

2. What happens if we strike their nuclear facilities and 20,000 civilians (twice asstard's estimate) die? No nuke slams into Tel Aviv, Paris, Prague, Naples, Rome, Athens, or any other European or Israeli city, and at LEAST 50,000 innocent lives are spared.

3. What happens when we hit the mullahmushbrains? "We will have war in the Middle East". Clue: Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Chechnya, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh... how would you know the difference if a "war" started?????

Some people are too stuck on stupid to be allowed to breed. Obviously this UofB professor and a lot of folks at Oxford belong in that group.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2006-02-13 22:49  

#12  Thousands died in the strikes on Hamburg, Tokyo, and Schweinfurt. Tough.
Posted by: Jackal   2006-02-13 14:09  

#11  There's a lot of value in killing as many nuclear scientists, engineers, and technicians as possible. Almost makes a daytime first-strike worth the risks. Not sure that the civilian death count would change much either way.
Posted by: Darrell   2006-02-13 09:04  

#10  Â· withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty and pursue speedy development of nuclear weapons capability;
Hard to speed up development when running for their lives.

· encourage retaliatory action against Israel by the Lebanese-based Hizbullah group, which has missiles capable of hitting Haifa and several other Israeli cities;
US recognizes Israeli annexation of southern Lebanon.

· close the Strait of Hormuz, one of the main access routes for oil from the Gulf;
Iran receives death penalty.

· send Iranian paramilitary units into states such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates;
Will be highly entertained watching public beheadings of the Pasadran.

· or order Iranian Revolutionary Guards to step up links with insurgents in Iraq.
US gives unconditional support to independence for minority nations in Iran.
Posted by: ed   2006-02-13 08:24  

#9  A military operation against Iran would not ... be a short-term matter but would set in motion a complex and long-lasting confrontation.

I'd say that happened in 1979.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-02-13 08:11  

#8  Quagmire! (Again - see later post)
Posted by: Bobby   2006-02-13 07:10  

#7  Too bad.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-02-13 07:01  

#6  What does a professor of 'peace studies' study? Dhimmitude?

Iran would probably withdraw from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and speed up its secret nuclear weapons programme.

Which is the same result if we don't.

A major American attack on Iran's nuclear sites would kill up to 10,000 people and lead to war in the Middle East.

And not attacking could kill up to a few million innocent civilians and lead to war in the middle east. The difference is that if we don't attack they can kill another few millions, and another, and another....

Just another Professor of Gloom and Doom.... We better give europe back to the Nazi's and the west coast to Imperial Japan....
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-02-13 04:15  

#5  OK.. if they don't want bombs is it ok to cover the nation in LSD so they don't know what to do with a bomb?

Is that more or less moral?
Posted by: 3dc   2006-02-13 00:47  

#4  The Prof from Oxford? LMAO. Like anyone in the real world cares what this ass thinks.

Peace Studies? If you want Peace you don't study it, you plan for war.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2006-02-13 00:36  

#3   But Prof Rogers says it has a large arsenal of responses.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the exception of closing the Strait of Hormuz - a choke point in the Gulf of Rumsfeld, aren't the Iranians already doing most everything on the professor's list?

If the choice is between Iranian civilian casualties and American civilian casualties, I know which one I'd pick.
Posted by: SteveS   2006-02-13 00:34  

#2  Moral, not morale, duh.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-13 00:25  

#1  And the counterplay begins...

The morale of the story is, of course:

"Don't want to be on the receiving end? Then don't paint yourself into a fatal corner."

This obvious truth will be ignored by everyone who seeks to Enable Muzzy Viagra or Tweak Great Satan - with the willing complicity of the MSM. This willful-idiot story being the first of many examples... Note that the good Professor and His Band of BS Brothers failed to include the shutdown of the MM program to acquire a nuke in their list of Iranian responses... Heh...

Thus, truth is the first victim - long before a shot has been fired.
Posted by: .com   2006-02-13 00:25  

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