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Prove Christ exists, Italian judge orders priest
2006-01-03
More evidence that Kimball and Steyn are correct about the direction of the West.
An Italian judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed. The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist.

Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christ’s historical existence.

Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was “abusing popular credulity”. Signor Cascioli’s contention — echoed in numerous atheist books and internet sites — is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine apart from the Gospel accounts, which Christians took on faith. There is therefore no basis for Christianity, he claims. Signor Cascioli’s one-man campaign came to a head at a court hearing last April when he lodged his accusations of “abuse of popular credulity” and “impersonation”, both offences under the Italian penal code.
If that is what the law says, then the law once again proves itself to be an ass.
He argued that all claims for the existence of Jesus from sources other than the Bible stem from authors who lived “after the time of the hypothetical Jesus” and were therefore not reliable witnesses. Signor Cascioli maintains that early Christian writers confused Jesus with John of Gamala, an anti-Roman Jewish insurgent in 1st-century Palestine. Church authorities were therefore guilty of “substitution of persons”. The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius mention a “Christus” or “Chrestus”, but were writing “well after the life of the purported Jesus” and were relying on hearsay. Father Righi said there was overwhelming testimony to Christ’s existence in religious and secular texts. Millions had in any case believed in Christ as both man and Son of God for 2,000 years. “If Cascioli does not see the sun in the sky at midday, he cannot sue me because I see it and he does not,” Father Righi said. Signor Cascioli said that the Gospels themselves were full of inconsistencies and did not agree on the names of the 12 apostles. He said that he would withdraw his legal action if Father Righi came up with irrefutable proof of Christ’s existence by the end of the month.

The Vatican has so far declined to comment.
Posted by:Nimble Spemble

#24  In fact, to the best of my knowledge, there is no independent evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ.

Probably the best evidence of the existence of the historical Jesus are the Dead Sea Scrolls, Q (the theoretical pre-Gospel source), and Paul's letters (Paul wasn't associated with the Christian movement at first and they were written before the Gospels, iirc).
Posted by: Rafael   2006-01-03 23:23  

#23  I'm afraid that while Josephus' mentions of John the Baptist are really his own words, comparisons of various Jewish copies of Josephus with those of Christian ones make it clear that the discussion of Jesus Christ were an addition by an overenthusiastic Christian copyist. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, there is no independent evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ. But so what? To the best of my knowledge there is no independent evidence of the evidence of Moses, either. Faith is by definition independent of outside evidence, and should not be a matter for the courts unless there criminal action is attached.
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-01-03 22:44  

#22  I always thought the Old Testament kinda rocked. Straightforward, no bullshit. If this comes back, consider me a potential recruit... I'm all outta cheeks to turn.



Posted by: .com   2006-01-03 21:45  

#21  No lawsuit demanding the local imam prove the existence of Mohammed or Allah.

Ha! And why do you think that is? Would you want to put the neighbourhood at risk? ...risk getting your car torched? ...or worse. Fallaci got herself a fatwa on her head.

Christianity, otoh, is an easy target. Probably too easy, imo.
Posted by: Rafael   2006-01-03 21:19  

#20  NB: No lawsuit demanding the local imam prove the existence of Mohammed or Allah.

The atheists are cowards unless they go after the Muslims, too.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2006-01-03 21:00  

#19  No justice, no peace! Keep hope alive!
Posted by: Johnny   2006-01-03 20:52  

#18  If the love fits you must acquit
Posted by: Frank G   2006-01-03 20:44  

#17  Free O.J.!!!
Posted by: Johnny   2006-01-03 20:11  

#16  Insufficient evidence is not evidence of insufficience.

See Simpson, OJ.
Posted by: Judge Ito   2006-01-03 19:32  

#15  â€œabusing popular credulity"

Isn't that the job description for politicians?
Posted by: xbalanke   2006-01-03 19:00  

#14  Josephus, a credible 1st century historian and Roman citizen, mentions Jesus in glowing terms.

Actually, IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong), Josephus describes him in so glowing terms, that it's utterly improbable that he (as Jewish) could have written the words attributed to him, and which strongly implied a Christian writer.

Other than that I have no real doubt that Jesus of Nazareth actually existed, taught, and was crucified. All the rest about him, though, are up for grabs...
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2006-01-03 17:27  

#13  But the case has already been tried...Cascioli should also read Bill Hybel' books if he needs more convincing evidence.

And after Hybel, some Joseph Cambell. That should keep him busy for a while.
Posted by: Besoeker   2006-01-03 15:48  

#12  The priest should counter-sue demanding that Signor Cascioli prove that he exists and that reality is REAL.

This should keep the court and lawyers busy for the next 50,000 years.
Posted by: 3dc   2006-01-03 15:46  

#11  'Paleostine' is the name of a Roman province on old maps, a Latin corruption of the biblical Philistines that lived in Tyre and Sidon as well as Gaza. Josepus, a credible 1st century historian and Roman citizen, mentions Jesus in glowing terms. Antiquities of the Jews and other works give incredible detail of Herod's reign of terror and the hated occupation and taxation, and considered a credible historical work.
Josephus also records Theophilus as appointed high priest in 37 CE. The NT book of Luke, is a recording of Jesus' genealogy and life, with the crucifixion about 33 CE. The book of Luke is addressed to "My dear Theophilus", making them all contemporary. Luke was Paul's traveling companion, probably to Rome, where he died. Other manuscripts have verifying and confirming details to events or people connected to Jesus or some of his disciples, such as which became bishops in the dispersion after the fall of the Temple in 70 CE. But the case has already been tried...Cascioli should also read Bill Hybel' books if he needs more convincing evidence.
Posted by: Danielle   2006-01-03 15:45  

#10  "Prove he DIDN'T, if you're so smart!"

"You can't prove a negative."

"Prove you can't!"

"I don't think you're getting the point here, pal."
Posted by: mojo   2006-01-03 15:34  

#9  He's dead, Jim.
Posted by: Snalet Threger2010   2006-01-03 15:10  

#8  That's just cruel, gromgoru :-)

the existence of Jesus from sources other than the Bible stem from authors who lived “after the time of the hypothetical Jesus”

Bullshit. Try the Dead Sea Scrolls. A non-Christian source, no less.
Posted by: Rafael   2006-01-03 14:52  

#7  My advice to this judge: call on ROP to prove that Allah exists.
Posted by: gromgoru   2006-01-03 14:42  

#6  Huh?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-01-03 14:14  

#5  An Italian judge from the US 9th Circuit and the ACLU have ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed. The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist.
Posted by: Besoeker   2006-01-03 14:03  

#4  1st century Palestine? There never has been a Palestine
Posted by: Frank G   2006-01-03 13:54  

#3  â€œabusing popular credulity"

Good grief!! This is now against the law in Italy?????????????? Man wait till they start suing Hollywood!

Oh, and BTW, there's damn little evidence to support ANY specific history from 2000 years ago.

Whatta bunch of marroons.
Posted by: AlanC   2006-01-03 12:34  

#2  Ah...doesn't make a whole lot of difference as the judge will lose his job when Eurabia adopts Sharia anyway.
Posted by: 2b   2006-01-03 12:04  

#1  I'd laugh like hell if he showed up. The judge probably wouldn't though...
Posted by: tu3031   2006-01-03 11:59  

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