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| Jack Straw: Have a little faith in the 'C' word |
| 2005-12-24 |
| I have just noticed â alas, for the first time â that the card I sent out in my capacity as Foreign Secretary has the anodyne, non-Christmas message of âSeasonâs Greetingsâ. And I was horrified to learn from an American friend that in the circles in which she, at least, moves it is considered not the done thing to wish people one does not know well âMerry Christmasâ, still less to send out âChristmasâ cards saying so. Itâs mad, in my opinion. And, in case you read certain national newspapers who imply that this kind of âpolitically correctâ rubbish emanates from the Government, it doesnât. Indeed, Iâm not sure it comes from anyone in particular. Instead, someone somewhere who is unsure about how to behave in our multiracial, multireligious society which is Britain today thinks, wrongly, that offence might be taken if the âCâ word is uttered too much when celebrating the birth of Christ. They then make what they think are âsafeâ decisions which will cause no one any offence, such as âSeasonâs Greetingsâ or âwinter festivalâ. So here, I suggest, are ten points for navigation in our society of many religions and none. (1) We are still, overwhelmingly, a Christian society. Yes, the number of people who go regularly to church is relatively small, and many fewer than 40 or 50 years ago. But in the last census 72 per cent described themselves as âChristianâ. They didnât have to do so. It wasnât compulsory to say so. (2) We have a deep Christian heritage in our society, which underpins many of our institutions â including Parliament, and the law. (3) Christmas and Easter are the two key Christian festivals. (4) Taking Christ out of Christmas, and pretending that you can celebrate Christmas without any acknowledgement of the profound religious origin and power of the festival, is simply wrong. We live in a free country. If someone wants to celebrate Saturnalia â the pagan winter festival â thatâs fine, but donât pretend itâs Christmas. (5) Those of the Muslim faith recognise Christ not as a saviour but certainly as a prophet, just as they recognise Abraham, and most of what followed in the Judaeo-Christian tradition. Muslims respect the Christian religion, and our key festivals; just as in the UK we respect the Muslimsâ Eid, and their need for haj or pilgrimage. (The Foreign Office sponsors an official haj delegation led by Lord Patel of Blackburn, to provide consular and medical services in Mecca to 25,000 British pilgrims each year.) I launched this yearâs haj delegation on Tuesday. And I wished everyone âHaj Mabroorâ, not âSeasonâs Greetingsâ. (6) Those religions other than Islam also respect our festivals, just as we respect the Hindu Diwali, for example. Why shouldnât we? Iâve never heard any Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jew, Buddhist or follower of any other religion deny the Christian basis of Christmas. (7) There have always been extremists in every religious tradition. We had the Crusades, effectively unprovoked, sustained and brutal assaults, on Islam, and centuries of anti-Semitism. (We also had centuries too of bloodshed between different Christian denominations.) Extremist Hindus (such as those who destroyed the Babri Mosque in Ayodyha in 1992) wish to turn India into a dominant Hindu society. And there are extremists who claim to be followers of Islam, to justify their intolerance and worse. (8) But by and large most religious believers are very tolerant of believers in other religions, and that is especially true in this country. And it shows in peopleâs action, for example in the number of Muslim parents who have lobbied me over the years to get their children into Catholic and Anglican secondary schools because they believe itâs better for their children to be educated in a more religious environment. (9) So we donât have to drop to any lowest common denominator of belief or non-belief. There is space for respect and celebration of all religions in our society. (10) Happy Christmas. |
| Posted by:Unains Elmeaper1546 |
| #5 "It's ironic that you're arguing the morality of the Crusades by bringing up Byzantium. Centuries before the Turks, it was the oh-so-defensive Crusaders that first looted Constantinople." What's that matter in the grand scheme of things ?was the taking of Jerusalem and many other places what? |
| Posted by: Angolurt Elmavirong2063 2005-12-24 21:24 |
| #4 AK: It's ironic that you're arguing the morality of the Crusades by bringing up Byzantium. Centuries before the Turks, it was the oh-so-defensive Crusaders that first looted Constantinople. Sure - for calling upon them to fight the Muslims, and then failing to pay them or feed them. As it was, the Crusaders nonetheless set out for the Holy Land and held the Levant for close to a century, giving the Byzantines crucial breathing room - time that Byzantines used very constructively to debate important topics like the gender of angels. Not entirely surprising, I suppose, that Greece today exists on sufferance - the classical Greece that fought so gallantly for so long against the Persians is long gone. In their place, we have a race that cannot tell the difference between its friends and its enemies, and has had to go on bended knee to people it used to consider barbarians (Northern Europeans) for protection from other barbarians (the Turks) who now own more Greek territory than the Greeks actually do. What a bunch of losers. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2005-12-24 21:13 |
| #3 Muslims respect the Christian religion, and our key festivals; just as in the UK we respect the Muslimsâ Eid, and their need for haj or pilgrimage Hey Jack! Come down where the little people live and see how tolerant Islam is |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-12-24 20:53 |
| #2 The Crusades were a defensive response to centuries of Muslim assaults on Christian territories. Note that Turkey had been Greek for thousands of years before Muslims showed up. It's ironic that you're arguing the morality of the Crusades by bringing up Byzantium. Centuries before the Turks, it was the oh-so-defensive Crusaders that first looted Constantinople. |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2005-12-24 20:45 |
| #1 Straw: We had the Crusades, effectively unprovoked, sustained and brutal assaults, on Islam What a load of bullshit. The Crusades were a defensive response to centuries of Muslim assaults on Christian territories. Note that Turkey had been Greek for thousands of years before Muslims showed up. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2005-12-24 19:56 |