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Britain
Britain Won't Target Extremist Mosques
2005-12-16
The British government Thursday dropped a key part of the anti-terrorism legislation proposed after the deadly July 7 suicide bombings on London's transit system, abandoning its effort to let police shut down extremist mosques.
"Yasss. We're very content merely pulling an occasional handful of leaves from the tree of terrorism. Actually digging up the roots would get dirt all over the carpets."
The plan, introduced a month after four suspected suicide bombers killed 52 bus and Underground passengers,
... before the national attention span ran out...
had been criticized by police and religious organizations.
And now George Michael is engaged and that's ever so much more important...
Home Secretary Charles Clarke said in a written statement to the House of Commons that he was dropping the proposal "although we will keep the matter under review."
"Next time somebody blows up the transit system, by golly, they're really gonna get it!"
The proposal would have given police powers to temporarily close places of worship being used by extremists. The trustee or owner would then be served with an order to halt radical activity. The Home Office spokesman said 66 people and organizations had responded to a consultation on the proposal, and most were opposed.
Of course they're opposed! They're the ones that would have been closed down! Do we have any aspirin?
We're fresh out of aspirin, but I did find this Cluebat™ in the closet...
The Association of Chief Police Officers also opposed the idea, saying it risked alienating ordinary Muslims and driving extremism underground.
"We much prefer to have the Bad Guyz out where we can see them, even if they're throwing things at us!"
"Have you considered putting them in jail?"
"Oh, that'd just drive the rest of them underground and we'd never catch them."
"But if you caught them, what would you do with them?"
"Well, we wouldn't put them in jail!"
The Rev. Graham Sparkes of the Baptist Union of Great Britain said Baptists had suffered persecution and imprisonment in the past in their efforts to "secure control over what was preached, where it could be preached, and who could preach."
I'm not aware of any transit systems ever blown up by Baptists. Did I miss something?
"We would be very sensitive toward any proposals that put these hard won freedoms under threat," Sparkes said in a statement to the government.
Don't preach jihad in your Baptistries and you'll be fine...
Sir Iqbal Sacranie, general secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain, said mosques were being branded wrongly "as incubators of violent extremism, while the social reality is that they serve as centers of moderation. The bombers were indoctrinated by a subculture outside the mosque."
Two words, Sir Icky: Finsbury Park.
The proposal had been part of the government's anti-terrorist proposals introduced after the July 7 transit attacks in London, in which four suspected suicide bombers killed 52 bus and Underground passengers.
Posted by:Fred

#25  Brits turning into pussies
Posted by: Captain America   2005-12-16 22:00  

#24  Howard, I suggest that you send away to Iran for some IEDs. IEDs seem to be more common than glass bottles these days. Just tell them you need IEDs to clear some land for a new Jewish state. I'm sure they'll oblige. They're having a clearance sale on ballots too.
Posted by: Darrell   2005-12-16 16:36  

#23  I quote my ESS instructor:

"There is no such thing as a dangerous weapon, there are only dangerous men. To a trained professional, even a shoestring is a weapon."

Practicing at home isn't necessarily the route to "trained professional", but it's better than nothing.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-12-16 15:04  

#22  I quote my ESS instructor:

"There is no such thing as a dangerous weapon, there are only dangerous men. To a trained professional, even a shoestring is a weapon."

Practicing at home isn't necessarily the route to "trained professional", but it's better than nothing.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-12-16 15:04  

#21  Howard, giving such instructions through Rantburg would get us all in the slammer. However, if you want to come over for a visit, just send me an email. I know a quiet piece of desert where we can practice.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-12-16 14:59  

#20  Remember THIS when you are engraving your CLUE BAT™:

Write backwards, so when the welts show up, the public can read CLUE BAT™ without having to use a mirror.

We have the same problem with the Saudi-funded mosques of hate and doom in the US as the Brits have. Our leaders have the same milqtoast attitudes. Only difference is the Brits have 'em springing up like daisies, toward critical mass. We are not there yet, but heading there.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-12-16 14:36  

#19  Anyone seriously interested in self-defense needs to get a copy of the U. S. Army Training manual TM31-210 available at gunshows, and used to be available by mail from the Pueblo Colorado office of publications (U. S. Government website, use at your own level of paranoia) but a short search didn't find it. Here's one source, Google TM 31-210 to find more sources

http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__17/Military_Manuals/military_manuals.html

A good source of self defense is a snap-stick, this is a spring with several coiled springs inside it that telescopes down to about 6 inches long and an inch in diameter, a flick of the wrist and it snaps out to be a spring loaded hi-tensle steel spring baton about a foot and a half long, bump it against the ground, and it telescopes back to a short pocket fitting spring, not really an offensive weapon because most folks (Except Cops) don't know just what it is.

Live safe, if guns are prohibited, and folks are being arrested for carrying a tree branch you gotta get sneaky.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2005-12-16 14:09  

#18  Another side of the story, to defend against a "Molotov Coctail"

1, When you see a person light the wick, shoot them.
2, If you don't have a gun, but do have a knife or club, run swiftly toward the wick lighter, and attack.
3, if unarmed RUN, this is a short range weapon, which needs to be used quickly before the wick burns away. GET OUT OF RANGE. (IF THEY RUN AFTER YOU, SO MUCH THE BETTER, ODDS ARE THEY ARE GOING TO GET BURNED THEMSELVES WHILE RUNNING WITH A GAS SOAKED WICK FLAPPING ABOUT.)
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2005-12-16 13:46  

#17  Soap flakes turn the gasoline into a jelly, making it virtually the same as napalm (sticky).
Posted by: Scooter McGruder   2005-12-16 13:21  

#16  I guess I'm a fool in the ways of IED's, what do the flakes of ivory (soap?) do?
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2005-12-16 13:05  

#15  Splended Mr. SPemble.
Posted by: Red Dog   2005-12-16 12:52  

#14  Don't forget the Ivory Flakes with the cocktail.
Posted by: Splendid SPemble1146   2005-12-16 12:37  

#13  Howard --

1) go to your nearby sports supplies shop, purchase a regulation wood baseball bat(the wood bit is important, so don't forget and buy an aluminum bat instead, ok?)

2) when you get home, dig up the wood engraving kit from the back of the shed. Use a pencil to write out the words "Clue Bat" in large, easy to read letters along the length of the bat. After the wood engraving thingy has properly heated up, use it to engrave the letters written in pencil, working carefully to ensure that no pencil marks can be seen afterward. Make sure to engrave deeply, as cleaning the Clue Bat after use can be a bit messy, and sometimes requires a bit of sanding to get out the worst dents.

Enjoy! ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-12-16 11:35  

#12  RJ - let me know where I can find the necessary instructions to fashion a decent Cluebat™ too. I fear we're doomed.
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-12-16 11:24  

#11  
"What's the shelf life for that baby, RJ?"

They are best when used fresh. Good luck finding glass bottles.
Posted by: Doitnow   2005-12-16 11:22  

#10  If the Poms get boomed again, they'll have only themselves to blame.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-12-16 10:37  

#9  What's the shelf life for that baby, RJ?
Posted by: Gluper Ebbolung3055   2005-12-16 10:14  

#8  NEWSFLASH:
British dicks go limp in the house of commons.
Multilateral approach sought in dealing with murdering animals who want to cut their throats while they sleep.....Developing
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2005-12-16 10:09  

#7  Nice work RJ.
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-12-16 08:33  

#6  #3: Anyone RBers got decent Molotov Cocktail assembly instructions?

1. Get glass quart bottle (Plastic bottles bounce, do not use)
2. fill with regular gasoline to four inches from the top (Use cheap gas)
3. Cut a cotton rag about 1 foot long and 4 inches wide, (Do not use synthetics, they melt )
4. Stuff heavy duty cotton rag in open mouth of bottle, be sure that rag touches gasoline, stuff tightly at bottle neck to prevent leaks.
5. To Use Properly, light rag, throw at hard surface to shatter bottle.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2005-12-16 08:31  

#5  Anyone RBers got decent Molotov Cocktail assembly instructions?

Careful, now. Your police might take the same line as the Australian police -- the use of a molotov cocktail by a Muslim is religious expression, while the posession of same by a non-Muslim is a breech of peace.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-12-16 07:48  

#4  I'm not aware of any transit systems ever blown up by Baptists. Did I miss something?

From what I can gather, some Europeans have a wide paranoid streak when it comes to American-style evangelicals. For example, the French anti-cult laws touted to be targeted on Scientology were ALSO intended to be used against evangelicals.

Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-12-16 07:45  

#3  Anyone RBers got decent Molotov Cocktail assembly instructions?
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-12-16 07:42  

#2  Ok,let's see if I understand the reasoning.
They don't want to shut down Mosques that preach hate,urge violent extremism, and encourage the murder of"Infidels".Because it would piss off Muslims same Muslims who are preaching hate,urging violent extremism, and encouraging the murder of"Infidels".
Man,Mr.Spock would blow a gasket trying to wrap his brain around that logic.
Posted by: raptor   2005-12-16 06:14  

#1  Translation: lets wait for the next boom.
Posted by: gromgoru   2005-12-16 02:52  

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