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| Intresting tidbit 3 : French police in action |
| 2005-11-10 |
| Again, no link, only opinion, kill it if inappropriate. Yesterday I followed the "Radio-Courtoise" (main french conservative/right wing radio) intervention of two Action Police CFTC unionists, who came to discuss the recent riots... this was very enlightening... : - The police officers ROE prevented them from responding to any provocation (in fact, the police was to avoid at all cost to be "provocative" itself); in one incident, a youth fired an handgun at a riot cop and ran away, and wasn't pursued. - There was about 2000 arrests; of thoses, only 173 (about 9%) led to prison sentences, the highest being IIRC 4 months (while the theorical sentence for arson is... 10 years). - Minors are untouchables; all the police can do is to bring them back home. - All this is not new, there is a deliberate policy since 2002 of "outsourcing" the policing of theses area to the islamic powers, leaving the police to cordon them. This is what was tried by the gvt this time again, with the "mediators". This is not working, even the UOIF (french muslim brotherhood) controls only "official" islam, while the true mover & shaker islam is under the spell of the GSPC (algerian salafists, linked to AQ). - The gvt has chosen to lay down when confronted by the use of force, because it knows it lacks the ressources to fight a large scale "situation", and will continue its policy of buying the social peace. - There are lots of weaponry in theses area, which have not been used so far. - There is at least some coordination, with supposedly courriers going from one 'hood to the other to give objectives and a targets list. - One of the declenching factors of this has been the drug shortage. (precision from an another source, a forum, so take with salt : there is traditionally a cannabis/haschich shortage in summer, when the professional dealers, 95% of them being africans/arabs goes back to their country of origin. This time, the shortage extended beyond that period, because of an agreement between the EU and Morocco - producer of about 80% of european drug - to eradicate this culture, and a few big custom busts). This "dry spell" has disrupted the "black economy", estimated to literally billions of euros, and increased the tensions. - The gvt has no real commitment to eradicate the "black economy", to keep theses areas placated; this summer, a departemental police administration linked the social aid files with the car registration ones; this led to the discovery of hundred of people supposedly living only with the socila aid from the State, but possessing one or several luxury cars, thus indicating other means of subsistance (drug,...). This was expressely terminated by the higher hierarchy (the catholic rightwing talk show host mentioned the links between widespread Enlightened Elites substances abuses and the lack of will to enforce the law). Hope that helps better understand what happened! |
| Posted by:anonymous5089 |
| #10 I only post because this is a subject I follow too, the way the Republic has caved in front of this is quite a spectacle to behold. As for the self-esteem issue, have no fear, my overweight problem, a complete lack of social life and a very small penis (thanks to my chinese ancestry) are keeping it at a very moderate level, rightly so. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-11-10 18:59 |
| #9 What they said. I add more but I fear your self-esteem might get outa hand. :> |
| Posted by: Shipman 2005-11-10 17:14 |
| #8 yes, thanks. |
| Posted by: 2b 2005-11-10 16:47 |
| #7 A5089, I really appreciate you posting your informed local view here. Thanks a lot. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2005-11-10 16:37 |
| #6 Note the drug shortage excuse may be bogus, apparently the places most heavily involved with drug trafficking have been relatively calm; perhaps it was the "little fishes" who rioted, not the big ones? |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-11-10 12:25 |
| #5 Wow, that was fast!... http://fr.news.yahoo.com/10112005/290/huit-policiers-suspendus-pour-violences-dans-les-banlieues.html 8 police officers were suspended and will be investigated : 2 of them for excessive use of force during an arrest (which resulted on "bruises and abrasions on the forehead and right foot without work incapacity" of the suspect, must have been a Rodney King-like arrest...), 6 for being passive witnesses. From what I've read, their major mistake has been to make the arrest in front of France 2 public television's cameras... |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-11-10 12:23 |
| #4 Someone contact Jerry Pournelle; let him know the French have become the Co-Dominiom. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-11-10 10:39 |
| #3 "One of the declenching factors of this has been the drug shortage" The UN must begin immediate operations to airlift in the critical supplies. The masses must be opiated. Keep them stoned. A stoner will not succumb to the influence of the Imams. |
| Posted by: TomAnon 2005-11-10 10:22 |
| #2 They have sown the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind, class 5. |
| Posted by: Clolump Ebbutch1363 2005-11-10 09:56 |
| #1 Not to be picky , but I mispelled, it is "Radio-Courtoisie", not "Radio-Courtoise". |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2005-11-10 09:30 |