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Iraq
Terrified Residents Flee Husaybah
2005-11-07
Scores of terrified Iraqis fled a besieged town Sunday, waving white flags and hauling their belongings to escape a second day of fighting between U.S. Marines and al-Qaida-led militants along the Syrian border. U.S. and Iraqi troops battled insurgents house-to-house, the U.S. military said. The U.S. commander of the joint force, Col. Stephen W. Davis, told The Associated Press late Sunday that his troops had moved "about halfway" through Husaybah, a market town along the Euphrates River about 200 miles northwest of Baghdad. At least 36 insurgents have been killed since the assault began Saturday and about 200 men have been detained, Davis said. He did not give a breakdown of nationalities of the detainees. Many were expected to be from a pro-insurgent Iraqi tribe. Davis would not comment on U.S. and Iraqi government casualties but said the militants were putting up a tough fight because "this area is near and dear to the the insurgents, particularly the foreign fighters."
Could be they're starting to run out of Fallujahs. And every time they move on to the next Fallujah the locals are going to be that much less happy to see them. But given the evident reasoning deficiencies of the average tribal Iraqi, this could take a while...
"This has been the first stop for foreign fighters, and this is strategic ground for them," he said by telephone.
Next week someplace else will be the first stop and the MNF will let it fester for awhile until there are enough bad guyz gathered in one place to make throwing them out worthwhile. That's entirely too subtle for the press to comprehend, of course...
Earlier Sunday, Brig. Gen. Donald Alston, a U.S. military spokesman, told reporters in Baghdad that none of the 3,500 U.S. and Iraqi troops had been killed so far.
That's good to hear, though I don't imagine it'll last more than another day or two...
The U.S. Marines said American jets struck at least 10 targets around the town Sunday and that the U.S.-Iraqi force was "clearing the city, house by house," taking fire from insurgents holed up in homes, mosques and schools. Residents of the area said by satellite phone that sounds of explosions diminished somewhat Sunday, although bursts of automatic weapons fire could be heard throughout the day. The residents said coalition forces warned people by loudspeakers to leave on foot because troops would fire on vehicles.
So much for the bad guyz' idea of booming their way out...
"I left everything behind — my car, my house," said Ahmed Mukhlef, 35, a teacher who fled Husaybah early Sunday with his wife and two children while carrying a white bed sheet tied to a stick. "I don't care if my house is bombed or looted, as long as I have my kids and wife safe with me."
Good idea. You can build another house, and the U.S. has been handing out money to help. We won't help you get another wife and kids...
The Marines said in a statement that about 450 people had taken refuge in a vacant housing area in Husaybah under the control of Iraqi forces. Others were believed to have fled to relatives in nearby towns and villages in the predominantly Sunni Arab area of Anbar province.
I'd guess they were combing through the 18-35 year-old male refugees pretty thoroughly...
U.S. officials have described Husaybah, which used to have a population of about 30,000, as a stronghold of al-Qaida in Iraq, led by Jordanian extremist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
You can bet Zark is someplace else...
Husaybah had long been identified as an entry point for foreign fighters, weapons and ammunition entering from Syria. From Husaybah the fighters head down the Euphrates valley to Baghdad and other cities. Several people identified as key al-Qaida in Iraq officials have been killed in recent airstrikes in the area, the U.S. military has said. Most were described as "facilitators" who helped smuggle would-be suicide bombers from Syria.
Now they're "deceased." Their survivors will soon be describing them as simple religious instructors, in the wrong place at the wrong time, led astray, perhaps, but really nice fellows at heart...
Damascus has denied helping militants sneak into Iraq, and witnesses said Syrian border guards had stepped up surveillance on their side of the border since the assault on Husaybah began.
Catch anybody?
The Americans hope the Husaybah operation, codenamed "Operation Steel Curtain," will help restore enough security in the area so the Sunni Arab population can participate in Dec. 15 national parliamentary elections. "The insurgents are throwing everything they have at the Iraqi people and coalition forces in an effort to derail Iraq's democratic reforms," Alston said. He said the offensive is aimed at interrupting the supply lines that al-Qaida in Iraq uses to launch some of the deadliest suicide attacks hitting Baghdad and other Iraqi cities.
And now the spin...
However, a protracted battle in Husaybah with civilian casualties risks a backlash in the Sunni Arab community, which provides most of the insurgents.
Yep. Better to have left them alone than to risk the backlash of the feared Sunni Arab community, which coincidentally provides most of the insurgents. Why they might... uhhh... ummm... provide more insurgents.
In Baghdad, Mohsen Abdul-Hamid, head of the largest Sunni Arab political party, sharply criticized "all military operations directed against civilian targets" because they "lead to the killing of innocent people and the destruction of towns and cities."
Any military operation, of course, is by definition directed against civilian targets in Iraq, especially in the Sunni Arab community, which provides most of the insurgents.
Saleh al-Mutlaq, head of another Sunni faction and a member of the committee that drafted the new constitution, accused the Americans and their Iraqi allies of mounting "a destructive and killing operation of secure cities and villages" on the "pretext that they hide and secure terrorists."
So he's basically denying that Husaybah shelters a nest of vipers, right? At least we know which side he's on...
The U.S.-led assault includes about 1,000 Iraqi soldiers and will serve as a major test of the fledgling army's capability to battle insurgents — seen as essential to enabling Washington to draw down its 157,000-strong military presence.
Posted by:Fred

#6  PD my problem which goes with my ADHD is a lack of patience. It's a libality in teh field I have most recently been employeed in. I have to moderate my urge to take action too quickly and be more strategic and long term in my thinking. I can't afford to make a mistake and do that with my reactions though. I could end up letting someone else or myself get hurt.

Your thinking is right but I lack the patience.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2005-11-07 17:51  

#5  tribal Sheikh interview. note: looks like the Sheikh might of had a pre-interview.

mms://video.pbs.org/general/windows/media4/frontline/2308/windows/ch4_hi.wmv

advance media file half way to get to the interview quicker.

suspect conversations like this take place often.
Posted by: Red Dog   2005-11-07 05:21  

#4  "Your nation is your tribe."

Of course I agree completely with you there, SPO'D. If we don't get stupid and bail out, they'll begin to "get it" and also agree with you - in about 30 years - at least one full generation, I think.

Right now was my focus, with your observation as the eventual goal.
Posted by: .com   2005-11-07 04:20  

#3  If an area has a Tribal leadership that tolerates and deals with the "insurgents" how about we just wax them and move on. If you play the tribal bullshit game you lose. Break their strangle hold, off them all if you have to. My kind of tough love. Your nation is your tribe. Anything else is is horse crap you must pay with pain and tears for.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2005-11-07 04:09  

#2  "Could be they're starting to run out of Fallujahs. And every time they move on to the next Fallujah the locals are going to be that much less happy to see them. But given the evident reasoning deficiencies of the average tribal Iraqi, this could take a while..."

A little late-night exposition... 2.5 years on, still missing one of the keys to the game, IMHO.

One of the things that I and others, notably Verlaine who has the best grasp of it, IMHO, have posted on numerous times is that it seems we're still not going directly at the tribal leaders whose actions are, shall we say, unfriendly. And I mean directly at them, in particular. Until they are enlisted to resist the asshats (providing us intel, at least, if compelled to cooperate by the asshats) or made to feel the pain for active collaboration, the game goes on.

We do hear about tea time, now and then, but not about knocking heads. When tea won't cut it, then you have to roll out the other measures.

Once upon a time I would've said this applies mainly to the Sunnis, but the botch in Southern Iraq and the obvious reversion to the customary Arab style of rule, i.e. corrupt tribal control with them allying with groups such as the militias, proves the Shi'a have reverted to form, as well. In fact, the Basra situation is what we can expect overall throughout the Arab regions if we do not use force to demonstrate, daily at every point, that we will not accept nor allow the customary corrupt Arab despotism and nepotism to dominate the new Iraq. It can't and won't be eliminated, but it can be forced to be expressed primarily through the democratic process.

Everyone in any given area knows who runs the show - and it's not the Zarqi Boyz or al Douri - it's the tribal leaders - and it's my humble opinion that Mafia dons are the closest parallel in our common experience. You come into an area with a force with the intent to stay, you have to suborn the tribal leader(s) there. The regular Iraqis generally do what their family, clan, tribe, imam, sect tell them to do, more or less in that order.

The level, the granularity, at which you find the resistance to authority as we try to foster a democratic state, depends upon who you are. As Americans, we fall completely outside their customary "chain of command" and it's easy for the Iraqis to dismiss our almost incomprehensible (to many of them) motives and oppose us as occupiers.

When it's an Iraqi trooper, then he will meet opposition at the Islamic Sect (Sunni or Shi'a) or tribal level. This is unavoidable until the Iraqis work past the allegiance chain. The only overrides are brute force -- OR...

The biggest dog, the linchpin regards stability as well as (or because of) the power to hand out job$ and deal$ and goodie$, in that chain is the tribal Sheikh. Co-opt this bastard, put the tribal Sheikh in your corner, whatever that takes. Of course putting his people in security / authority positions is stupid - they will simply revert to the Mafia games they've always played, corrupting the process, playing competing interests off against each other, etc. You have to own him, and that means make him deal with people, weilding the authority of force, who do not owe him any allegiance. It will require some tough love. Probably very tough love.

I believe the key is to break the chain and focus Iraqis on the state. Yes, they will still be Arabs and will expect, Dhimmidonk-style, (Rhetorical: Is there any significant difference between the political machines in Big Blue Cities and Arab tribalism? Nope.), instant gratification and below the table BS. Such is human nature in people not taught differently, indoctrinated, lol, with more honest values. But I think we have long needed to break some heads to achieve even that in confrontations with Arabs - and I hear nothing of the sort in news reports, just brute (Will Jihadi come out and play?) force and, now, garrisoning cleared areas, to achieve the end goal. Not enough targeted force. Too much slack for the Sheikhs. I can hear them laughing up their sleeves and planning what they think they'll do when the force leaves or how they'll corrupt the garrison heads.

The first pass outcome in Iraq will be an "illiberal democracy", of course, because of the allegiances mentioned above. It can grow into a liberal democracy when the state is finally viewed as the main source of stability and prosperity and rights, not the Sheikh. We should be working to that specific end.

Heavy sigh. Still my take, this far on.

The Kurds get it - they got it long ago.
Posted by: .com   2005-11-07 03:56  

#1  Have we ever tried accusing the Sunni's of being the source of all the terrorism, or is that too obvious and politically incorrect?
Posted by: Ebbereger Slerese1915   2005-11-07 01:22  

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