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Frankistan Intifada - Day Nine
2005-11-05
EPINAY-SUR-SEINE, France (Reuters) - Violence erupted again in poor suburbs of Paris where youths torched buildings and dozens of cars and sporadic unrest spread in the early hours of Saturday to at least three other French cities. In a potentially worrying development for Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin's beleaguered government, police said more cars were set alight outside the greater Paris area than in the capital's suburbs, the epicenter of riots for more than a week.

"The general impression is that the situation in the greater Paris area is the same as last night but there are some scattered incidents elsewhere," a police official told Reuters.

Rioting by youths, many of whom are Muslims of North African and black African origin, has partly been stoked by their frustration at high unemployment and the perception they lack economic opportunities.
Out of a total of 152 vehicles reported burned nationally, less than half were in the greater Paris region, with about a dozen or more cars set alight in each of Strasbourg, in east of France, Rennes in the west, and Toulouse in southwestern France. Police said minor incidents were reported in provinces elsewhere in the country but were inclined to blame such disturbances on copy-cat violence before the weekend.

Rioters in Paris suburbs appeared more inclined to harass police than clash with them head on, an official said. Firemen rushed to put out blazes in the Paris suburb of Val d'Oise after 10 cars and two buildings, one a bakery, were set alight late on Friday, while others in Seine-Saint-Denis battled to extinguish fires at two warehouses.

POLICE PRESENCE

The latest outbreak of violence came despite a high-profile police presence. About 1,300 officers were deployed in Seine-Saint-Denis, the area worst hit in the disturbances and where the violence first began last week after two teenagers of African origin died while fleeing police. More officers patrolled other suburbs where unrest had broken out, national police said, adding that the units were more mobile than previously.

The violence that began in Seine-Saint-Denis has escalated this week and spread to a few other towns in France even before Saturday -- Rouen in northern France, Dijon in the east and Marseille in the south were all affected overnight between Thursday and Friday. This has put mounting pressure on the government to restore order without alienating minority and underprivileged groups but Villepin's calls for calm have so far fallen on deaf ears. Religious leaders will lend their support to government efforts to cool tensions with Catholic, Protestant and Muslim leaders planning a silent march on Saturday in Aulnay-sous-Bois, one of the violence-hit suburbs.

Squabbling within the government about how to tackle the unrest has now been papered over, with Villepin and his bitter political rival, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, joining forces to stress the need to balance firmness and justice. Villepin met about 15 young people from riot-hit Paris suburbs late on Friday to discuss possible ways to restore calm.

"I think he appreciated this meeting and wanted to learn things. It was a very good initiative, he is really looking to solve the problems," Anyss, an 18-year-old in his final year of high school in Seine-Saint-Denis, said after the meeting.

However, the opposition remained critical, with the Socialists attacking the government's response. "Your government bears part of the responsibility for these events. It is now up to you to take full stock of the crisis," Socialist leaders said in letter to Villepin on Thursday.
Posted by:Steve

#6  As usual, when it comes to France, Scott Ott and Scrappleface are writing history before it has happpened. http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2057
Posted by: Thravilet Photing9369   2005-11-05 19:54  

#5  This is the 'Burg, Anon. Be precise. He actually GAVE a charge...remember the blue dress?

I thought the French were going to do something about this. Looks like they're just going to roll over and give up. What a bunch of wimps! Eurabia isn't coming, it's already here.
Posted by: mac   2005-11-05 08:02  

#4  I don't know where that article got the 152 torched cars figures, the ones I've heard on teevee and radio are 800-1000 nationally (ok, let's say 900), about of third of it being outside Paris.

Also, torched warehouses, automobile garages, one school IIRC, attacks in broad daylight... total cost so far is already in the tens of millions of euros.

Also, note that as I repeatedly wrote, there are 30 000 torched cars on a "normal" year, and that this figure is about one half or even one third of the reality (and so are probably the current figures) : the french authorities only count the "départs de feu" (starting fires?), IE the car initially torched; collaterally destroyed cars are not included in the stats, and so are the cars whichs are not totally destroyed.

All in all, supposedly less direct clashes with the police, a whole lot more arrests (about 250, but you've got to remember that so far sentencing for caught rioters have been in the vicinity of 1-3 months, sometime probationary), but more "urban guerilla" with small groups practicing an hit and run tactic they've mastered over the years.

Funny. About 10 years ago, when I was in high school, I had the opportunity to speak with a riot cop (I think he was a gendarme mobile), and we discussed the various types of demonstrations/riots : the easiest to manage were unions (excellent order service), the toughest physically were the "white trashes" ("petits blancs"), such as independent peasants, artisans, small shops owners,.. who suffers a lot under France's system and really go for the jugular when they riot, and the most frustrating and dangerous were the suburbians, since the tactics of the locals were/are to harass the police with projectiles (stones, heavy objects dropped from the towers, even acid bottles or molotov cocktails) all the while avoiding contact and sprouting insults. Also, intervention there was very sensitive, and had to be okayed by the powers-that-be. And this was in the 90's; since then, there was an influx of weaponry, straight from Yugoslavia. If/when the situation gets out of hand (so far it isn't and remains manageable, problem will be lack of reserves if this last longer than say 2 weeks, police is overstretched), law enforcement would be in trouble.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2005-11-05 07:30  

#3  but he got a charge when Monica was doing him.
Posted by: anon   2005-11-05 01:05  

#2  reminds me of Clinton - trying to appear in charge without actually DOING anything..
Posted by: Frank G   2005-11-05 01:04  

#1  Villepin is talking with 15 yutes!?!?!? This is a joke right? What the fuck is the clown looking MF going to do?
There was no rest on the MOOOOOOSLUM Sabbath.
This get's better every single minute.
I hope somebody throws some gasoline on the fire tomorrow to really get them pissed off!! Let's see'm try to tip the Eifel tower!!
Posted by: Long Hair Republican   2005-11-05 00:33  

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