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| 2005-10-27 |
| President George Bush is urging lawmakers to approve a multi-billion dollar plan to crackdown on illegal immigration. Nearly everyone agrees the immigration system needs comprehensive reforms, but there is fierce debate on how to fix it. As many as 11 million immigrants may be working illegally in the United States, and the US chamber of Commerce says the actual number could be double that, if non working family members are included. The national federation, which represents business interests in the United States, says America's immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed; a sentiment shared by President Bush who signed a $32 billion homeland security bill this week. Mr. Bush wants to secure America's borders and get tough on illegal immigrants, but still fill the need for foreign workers. "We need to find a way to fill that demand by matching willing employers with willing workers from foreign countries on a temporary and legal basis." The reforms, which still need congressional approval, include a temporary guest worker program that would allow Senators John McCain and Ted Kennedy want to give illegal immigrants an avenue to become President Bush is opposed to granting amnesty to illegal (immigrants) already in the country and so is Senator McCain. He says his bill would require illegal immigrants to pay a $2,000 fine so they can apply for a tamper proof identification card before they can be eligible to work. "And then they would have to work for 6 years and then be eligible for a green card and get at the end of the line, which would probably take another 5 years. Anybody who calls that amnesty doesn't read the same dictionary I do, we think it's pretty tough.." But not tough enough for the head of the National Border Patrol council. The union which represents more than 10,000 border patrol agents wants all illegal immigration halted. T.J. Bonner claims illegal immigrants take away jobs and lower the quality of life in America. "It happened in the meat packing industry in the Midwest where you had Americans working for $18 an hour displaced by people who were recruited in Mexico to work for $6 an hour. It's happened in the drywall industry and many industries around the country." Hector Flores, the national leader of the League of United Latin American Citizens or LULAC, says the economy would shut down if the US got rid of all illegal workers. "They're paying taxes like anybody else, |
| Posted by:Jackal |
| #7 If you want a 'gueat worker' program - fine. One more thing: send the Family Reunification crap to the dustbin where it belongs. Legal immigrants (not "guest workers") can get their petitions reviewed case-by-case, but guest workers do not get to bring their families here. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2005-10-27 23:11 |
| #6 If you want a 'gueat worker' program - fine. Just require that they apply from their native country - and not just mexico either bit *any* country. And do not allow them to bring their family with them. Require a sponsor (coroprate or personal) to vouch and be help responsible for them. If they want to then immigrate then they have to go back and follow the existing LEGAL PROCESS just like everybody else. Start cracking down damn hard on people and corporations (wall-mart anyone?) and their CEOs and CFO's personally for hiring illegal aliens with serious penalties - both financial and prison-time (and dont allow them to buy their way into club-fed either!). Start deporting illegal aliens (of all origins - not just non-mexicans). No catch-and-release. Build guarded tent cities out in the middle of nowhere if needed until you can ship them out - just base it on LEGAL STATUS and not Race / Gender / Nationallity. Require a tamper-proof green card (or proof-of-citizenship or guest-worker card) in order to send money out of the country. Deny citizenship to babies born of an illegal-alien parent. Deny all medical treatment (except life-saving of course), schools, and welfare to illegal aliens. I dont give a shit if they pay taxes or not -- if they are illegal they lose it - tough shit. Make them go home to apply for visas or guest workers - if its 'economically hard' for them too bad - they are ILLEGAL. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2005-10-27 15:23 |
| #5 "Scare tactic." And a full load of BS by my experience. I once worked in a restaurant in San Diego that had employed illegals in the kitchen more often than not. When a local corporation bought the place, it insisted that all it's employees be citizens or have valid work visas. Those new openings in the kitchen were immediately filled as required. |
| Posted by: SLO Jim 2005-10-27 12:29 |
| #4 John McCain and Ted Kennedy. 'nuff said. Shut the f*cking borders. |
| Posted by: Red Dog 2005-10-27 12:25 |
| #3 Hector Flores, the national leader of the League of United Latin American Citizens or LULAC, says the economy would shut down if the US got rid of all illegal workers. Scare tactic. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2005-10-27 11:54 |
| #2 Hector Flores, the national leader of the League of United Latin American Citizens or LULAC, says the economy would shut down if the US got rid of all illegal workers. I see they don't teach capitalism in schools these days. Either the cost of labor will raise [therefore making minimum wage issues moot] to attract legal workers to do the job and therefore pass on the cost to consumers who will pay the additional direct expenses [vice indirect subsidies by government services] or the work won't be done because it is not important enough to be done in the real market place because higher costs make the product/service marginal to the market. |
| Posted by: Whomolet Glomoque9258 2005-10-27 11:44 |
| #1 McCain's a two-faced liar. Send them home - let them start the process from there. Waiting til a Donk admin's in and amnesty for votes would be the du jour policy |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-10-27 11:16 |