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Oz Lawyer says rape is just part of Culture
2005-10-12
A violent gang rapist should have been given a lesser sentence partly because he was a "cultural time bomb" whose attacks were inevitable, as he had emigrated from a country with traditional views of women, his barrister has argued.

MSK, who, with his three Pakistani brothers, raped several girls at their Ashfield family home over six months in 2002, was affected by "cultural conditioning 
 in the context of intoxification", Stephen Odgers, SC, told the NSW Court of Criminal Appeal yesterday.

MSK, 26, MAK, 25 and MMK, 19, are appealing against the severity of their sentences after they were found guilty of nine counts of aggravated sexual assault in company - a crime carrying a maximum penalty of life imprisonment - against two girls, aged 16 and 17, in July 2002. MSK and MMK were jailed for 22 years, with a non-parole period of 16œ years, and 13 years, respectively, and MAK for 16 years (12 years non-parole). Court orders prevent them being named. They are yet to be sentenced for other rapes.

Mr Odgers said "new evidence" showed MSK had a "mental disorder" at the time of the rapes and had stopped taking his medication - supplied by his father, a general practitioner. He also said Justice Brian Sully had made a "clear error" in sentencing them to an extra six years on two counts, rather than one - referring to an act in which MMK withdrew his penis and took off the condom and then continued to rape one of the girls. "It was the same victim, it occurred in the same location, there was no relevant difference in the nature of the act. The time gap between the offences was minimal," he said. Mr Odgers said a forensic psychologist, David Greenberg, had diagnosed MSK with "atypical compulsive obsessive disorder".

MSK said: "When I stopped taking medication, I never had any idea in my mind that I would be committing these problems. If anything happened, it would happen accidentally, but I was commanded to do these things."

After a special hearing, a judge concluded earlier this year that MSK was not mentally ill - the same conclusion reached by pre-sentence psychology reports in 2003. Mr Odgers said the new evidence showed that he had a disease, which, combined with alcohol and the cultural conditioning of "a society with very traditional views of women", was "clearly a factor in the commissioning of these offences". "The applicant was a cultural time bomb," Mr Odgers said. "It was almost inevitable that something like this would happen. His culpability is lessened because of that combination."

Professor Greenberg's report concluded the disorder did not lead MSK to commit the rapes. He also said he may be malingering.

The father, who said at the trials that he was with his sons on the night of the rapes, told the court he had diagnosed MSK with schizophrenia. "He told me 
 Satan come to him and tell him different things. He told me that sometimes even the green grass whisper to him."
When I diagnose a mental disorder in a patient, I refer them to a psychiatrist. Oz is a first world country like ours. Wonder why daddy, a doctor, didn't make the referral?
He refused to place his hand on the Koran when sworn in because he said he had not washed. A spokesman for the Director of Public Prosecutions, Nicholas Cowdery, said he was unable to confirm whether the father would be charged with perjury over evidence he gave at the trials.

The appeal, funded by Legal Aid, follows their unsuccessful appeal against conviction, which failed when they took it to the High Court. The Court of Criminal Appeal has reserved its decision.
Posted by:classer

#17  There was another case i was watching on the news late last night about this aboriginal man who raped a 14 year old girl who was promised to him as a bride. The judge ended up giving him some ridiculous jail sentence of something like 2 months with only 1 month to be served behind bars. The judge took into consideration that the aboriginal culture is thousands of years old. Pretty crazy huh.
Posted by: Oztralian [AKA] God Save The World   2005-10-12 20:45  

#16  let the dingos have em
Posted by: Frank G   2005-10-12 19:57  

#15  I think they should get an opportunity to meet Allah and rape 72 virgins.
Posted by: DMFD   2005-10-12 19:21  

#14  Gang rape, the creeps should never see the light of day until they are hung by the neck until dead. No other sentence is acceptable.

When will the western world wake up and start putting these sexual preadators to death as fast as possible?
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2005-10-12 16:47  

#13  If it were my daughters I would say let them go and give me a clear field of fire. I am sure I could clear up any mental disorder and make teh community much safer. I would of course plead that Satin made me plug all three of them and afterwards he left my body.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2005-10-12 13:42  

#12  Jail.
Posted by: .com   2005-10-12 13:38  

#11  But booze isn't in their culture! That defeats the arguments. What are the Saudis currently proscribing for drinkers? Com should know.
Posted by: 3dc   2005-10-12 13:20  

#10  yeah...you gotta just love these "islamic holy rollers". Rape, murder, maim...all in the name of allan. It's OK as long as you're doing it an infidel. An infidel in islam apparently includes everyone but your favorite sheep or goat.
Posted by: anymouse   2005-10-12 12:35  

#9  Multiculturalism at its finest. Don'tcha just luuuv it?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-10-12 12:27  

#8  A violent gang rapist should have been given a lesser sentence partly because he was a "cultural time bomb" whose attacks were inevitable, as he had emigrated from a country with traditional views of women

Um, no.
Posted by: Secret Master   2005-10-12 11:48  

#7  watch that that glass house doesnt get broken
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/05/idaho.children/
Posted by: bk   2005-10-12 11:45  

#6  That's ok Odjie, rape is also the "culture" within the prison system and they'll fit right in, no need to shorten their stay.
Posted by: Gir   2005-10-12 09:57  

#5  apparently, his culture also dictates that the father be as despicable as the son.
Posted by: PlanetDan   2005-10-12 09:57  

#4  My culture says, "Get a rope."
Posted by: ed   2005-10-12 09:34  

#3  If one of them was my daughter...I would give them a lesser sentence allright. They'd be "less" 3 sets of nuts and acutrements...if I was feeling especially benevolent.
Posted by: anymouse   2005-10-12 09:16  

#2  Wait -- was he drunk, insane, or a barbarian? The article argues all three.

And under what legal regime in the west are any of those valid defenses for a rape charge?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-10-12 09:12  

#1  Gee, My culture says rapists should be castrated and locked away for life.
Posted by: Jackal   2005-10-12 09:06  

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