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Israel-Palestine
Five Terrorists, Jew Killed in West Bank
2005-08-25
JERUSALEM (AP) - An Israeli military raid on a West Bank refugee camp left five terrorists militants dead Wednesday and an Orthodox Jewish man was stabbed to death in Jerusalem - an eruption of violence a day after Israel completed its evacuation of 25 settlements.

At the Tulkarem refugee camp, Israeli soldiers surrounded a house and exchanged fire with terrorists militants inside and outside, witnesses said. The bodies of the four dead terrorists were brought to the Tulkarem hospital an hour after the incident. Residents said they were members of Islamic Jihad. A fifth Palestinian later died of injuries, Israel Radio reported.
Ah, the sucking chest wound.
Israeli military officials identified the terrorist Palestinians involved in the confrontation as top local leaders of the Islamic Jihad, responsible for the last two suicide bombings in Israel - in Tel Aviv in February and Netanya in July.

Earlier in Jerusalem, a Palestinian terrorist stabbed two young ultra-Orthodox Jews in the Old City, police said, calling it a terror attack. One of the victims later died of his wounds. The terrorist assailant escaped. Israeli media reported that the dead man was a young seminary student from Britain. His name was not released.
Posted by:Steve White

#13  See "Prejudicial Ingrates". I find little about the Orthodox to admire. The mainstream Jews need to bitchslap them back into their minority status and make them acknowledge it. The lack of national military srvice has to end - makes them too elite to dirty their hands.
Posted by: Frank G   2005-08-25 22:13  

#12  The thing about the Ultra-Orthodox in Israel is not only that they do not accept the existence of Israel, but they want to impose their version on Judaism on all. Make the mistake of driving through their neighborhood on the Sabbath (Fri sundown through Saturday full dark) and they will furiously stone the car. They fight for legislation forbidding the selling or serving of non-kosher food throughout the country, and to order businesses and public transport shut down on the Sabbath. And, their boys refuse to join the Army to protect the country whose existence they resent. They want to go back to the old days, when the Rothschilds, et al, supported their ancient communities, allowing them to spend their time in study and prayer without the burden of fund-raising.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-08-25 22:01  

#11  tw & VAMark,

I got what I need. Thanks.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-08-25 18:06  

#10  Lebovitchers are one of several branches (!!) of the Chassids, Shipman. glad to hear they're nice.

PR, the Ultras aren't Levites, who were the Temple Priesthood, descended of Moses brother Aaron. They are still around, still only allowed to marry -- literally -- within their tribe. Look for families names like Levy, Levi, Cohen, Kahn.

More later, I've got a soccer run ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-08-25 17:38  

#9  Ima have a house/schul of Lebovitchers (?) up the road, very nice people, located in a residential neighborhod because all the adherents walk to schul..... except for the yuts from FSU who haven't bought in 100 percent... they allowed to drive. Every Friday night is something of a mad house parking wise. Still all in all a net gain for the neighborhood if you're not shy about asking questions....
Posted by: Shipman   2005-08-25 17:14  

#8  Levites are members/descendants of a specific Hebrew tribe. Some members of the tribe are still identifiable - I think most people with the name of Cohen are Levites. (Modern DNA research has shown that Jews traditionally identified as members of the various tribes are in fact related through a common ancestor back approximately 3000 years.) The Ultra-Orthodox have chosen to conform to an extremely strict interpretation of the Levitical (a-ha) law, but aren't necessarily part of the Levite tribe, although I'm sure some are.
Posted by: VAMark   2005-08-25 16:30  

#7  tw,

So it exists. Thanks for the clarification.

Would you agree that ultra-Orthodox is the modern word for Levites. The Levites also had to live on only what was donated to them. That's why God via Joshua didn't give the Levites land of their own. I believe groups of 50 Levites had to live among each of the other tribes for the reason stated above.


Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-08-25 14:10  

#6  mmmmmmm
Posted by: Frank G   2005-08-25 12:41  

#5  Ultra-Orthodox is a legitimate classification, Poison Reverse. Regular Orthodox Jews generally live observant Jewish lives (obeying all the 600+ Commandments in the Old Testament, plus the rules devised by the Rabbis in the Talmud to protect the Commandments, plus whatever has been concluded by the leading rabbis as appropriate to changing conditions up to the present) while still in the World. The Ultra-Orthodox withdraw from the World-as-it-is to their own little enclaves and bitterly resent the establishment of Israel as pre-empting God's plan for the Messiah to do so at some future date. They tend to live off charity in order to spend all their time studying Jewish lore. They are not, however, mystics like the Chassids portrayed so nicely in the musical Fiddler on the Roof.

Otherwise, your criticism stands.

Popcorn? I made a bowl big enough for everyone.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-08-25 12:31  

#4  ipso facto Jerusalem is in the West Bank!

It's AP. I'm surprised they didn't refer to Jerusalem as al-Quds.
Posted by: Colt   2005-08-25 11:57  

#3  Perhaps a "sucking head wound?"
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-08-25 10:49  

#2  "Israeli media reported that the dead man was a young seminary student from Britain. His name was not released."

Bias doesn't begin to describe AP. They have to quote Israeli media for anything that happens in Israel because all their propaganda machine journalists are in the Paleo offices. The above AP sentence is false. The British student's name was released.

"stabbed two young ultra-Orthodox Jews in the Old City"

When reporting this story, notice they are using the words "ultra-Orthodox." These two students were NOT ultra-Orthodox or Orthodox. There were just students. First of all, what in the heck is, ultra-Orthodox? I only understand Orthodox. Also, the AP is not stating that the other person that got stabbed was an American student. The AP is simply trying to put a moral equivelance betweeen Jews who get stabbed and Paleo's who do the stabbing.

"The United States issued a statement saying the barrier "is a problem to the extent that it prejudges final borders, confiscates Palestinian property or imposes further hardship on the Palestinian people."

They failed to mention that this is an Foggy Bottom statement and does not the reflect the views of GWB.

"Palestinians claim all of the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem for a state, complaining that that barrier route unilaterally sets a border. Palestinians have praised Israel's pullout from Gaza and the West Bank, but insist it must be followed by an exit from the rest of the territory."

When they use the word "territory" by itself, it is code word for ALL of Israel.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-08-25 09:30  

#1  Jew Killed in West Bank

Orthodox Jewish man was stabbed to death in Jerusalem

ipso facto Jerusalem is in the West Bank!
Posted by: Spereting Close6384   2005-08-25 08:53  

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