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Israel-Palestine

Sharon vows to expand West Bank settlements

2005-08-23

EFL

Ariel Sharon yesterday marked the withdrawal of Gaza's last Jewish settlement with a stark warning that Israel would continue building in the biggest settlements in the West Bank ~~unless the terrorists make him flinch there, too~~.

But the Israeli Prime Minister marked the peaceful end of Jewish settlement in Gaza by setting himself at odds with publicly stated American policy: he promised to continue linking Ma'ale Adumin, the largest West Bank settlement, with Jerusalem.

Mr Sharon declared: "There will be building in the settlement blocs. Each government since 1967 - right, left and national unity - has seen strategic importance in specific areas [on the ~~Jordanian~~ Palestinian side of Israel's pre-1967 borders, beyond the Green Line]. I will build." He said Ma'ale Adumim would "continue to grow and be connected to Jerusalem," and that Ariel settlement would be a permanent part of Israel ~~unless we try more appeasement~~.

The Jerusalem Post, which carried the interview with Mr Sharon, said he was "obviously aware" the internationally agreed road ~~kill~~ map to peace, to which Mr Sharon repeatedly says he is committed, called for a freeze on all new settlement construction and that such construction would put him on a "collision course" with the US and Europe. Though the Paleos refusal to perform even one of their requirements doesn't seem to be an issue.

* THE TOMB OF THE PATRIARCHS in the West Bank town of Hebron is the second-holiest site in Judaism after Temple Mount in Jerusalem, but also holds religious significance for Muslims and Christians. It contains the twin caves that, according to tradition, are considered the burial place of Adam and Eve, Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebecca, and Jacob and Leah. Until 1967, when Hebron was occupied by Israel, Jews were barred from ascending beyond the seventh step of the Mosque of Abraham now occupying the site.

* RACHEL'S TOMB is the third-holiest site in Judaism, on the outskirts of Palestinian-ruled Bethlehem. It is considered the final resting-place of the wife of Jacob, who set up a monument over her grave. She died giving birth to her second son, Benjamin. Rachel is the only matriarch not buried in Hebron. The tomb is a guarded pilgrimage site in an Israeli-protected enclave where there have been frequent shooting incidents.

Note that the second- and third-holiest sites in Judaism don't seem to give them any recognition, while the 28376th holiest site in Islam is untouchable.

Posted by:Jackal

#23 It's a figure of speech. What I meant was that I will be watching Sharon. If he doesn't act with solid "counter-fire", I will be rubbing it in to you guys.

I have been stating all along that, if there is a terrorist attack from the pullout areas e.g Gaza, the "world" won't allow this so-called overwhelming "counter-fire" from Sharon, nor will the U.S. President. Remember, 2008 is just around the corner and Bush won't be Pres. anymore. In fact, Sharon won't be around much longer. Then what? Giving up more land? There is a reason why you don't feed the animals.

Posted by: Poison Reverse 2005-08-23 23:02

#22 fair enuf

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 22:57

#21 We're on your list, Poison Reverse? What on earth does that mean?

Posted by: trailing wife 2005-08-23 22:47

#20 tw,

There is no need for me to cry over spilled milk. The pullout is just about done. I don't agree with it but what's done is done.

"judge Sharon by his results."
I will judge Sharon by the scale of, as Frank would say, "counter-fire." If there is a terrorist attack in Israel, which there will be and if Sharon goes hiding in a cave then know that you, Frank, Moose, and Alan C. are on my list.

Posted by: Poison Reverse 2005-08-23 22:31

#19 As I see it, Sharon bypassed any Paleo negotiations and said: "here's where we can live, defensibly, as a (majority) Jewish State. He needed to set back the Orthodox (LH is more in tune here than I, a simple SoCal Catholic) and renew the Jewish state before it was killed by a thousand cuts. He's building the "wall of Friendship Or We'll Kill You", as it should be, surrounding Jerusalem with new Jewish settlers evicted from outposts they couldn't defend. All good moves IMHO

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 22:28

#18 perfect!

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 22:21

#17 Sharon is continuing his plan to rationalize Israel's borders to something reasonably defensible. He just finished pulling his citizens back from exposed positions beyond the already existing Gaza Strip wall, and is now solidifying positions on the West Bank side. The W.B. settlements that were emptied were on isolated hilltops surrounded by Palestinian communities. The new houses are being built in expansions of current Israeli communities, to fill in the blank space on the map, so to speak.

What this does is altogether bypass the negotiation process that the Palestinians and their supporters are convinced will enable them to win the peace. By the time the PLO and Hamas have completed their argument about who is to rule over the ruins, Israel will have the security wall completed, and all the Palestinians neatly pinioned on the far side. Frank pegged it, and much more succinctly than I could. ;-)

Poison Reverse, judge Sharon by his results. Ever since he finally put his foot down, and started building the security wall to enclose the Palestinians, Israeli deaths and injuries to to terrorist attacks of all sorts have gone down to the point where a successful attack is a noteworthy surprise rather than just another tragedy. I understand that you don't want to give up even an inch/centimeter of Jewish soil. However, that just isn't feasible so long as the rest of the Arab world is actively at war -- albeit semi-covertly. At the rate things are going over there, though,the next iteration of the wall may well be deeper in PA territory... and without any stupid Roadmap negotiations.

Frank, I made this bowl of popcorn just for you. Lots of salt and butter, yes?

Posted by: trailing wife 2005-08-23 22:07

#16 "The Egyptians want no part of the "Paleo problem"
"the Sauds don't like em or want em either"

I can add several other countries as well. There is a reason why the other Muslim countries don't want them. One, the dictators fear the terrorism that ~~Hamas&PLF~~ Paleo's would bring to their own country so let's push the animals to a different jungle. Two, squeeze Israel into giving up more and more land with no promises in return.

The world is pushing the un-wanted Paleo's into the path of least resistance, which would be the very generous and backward bending, Jews. Also, the mentality around the world is to blame everything on Israel and push un-wanted garbage towards Israel.

"btw - my "all Paleos" is obviously hyperbole."
I know what you mean. We are both pissed off but have different solutions.

Posted by: Poison Reverse 2005-08-23 20:52

#15 btw - my "all Paleos" is obviously hyperbole. I know there are innocents who will suffer, hey they could even be just buying pizza or riding a bus to work in Israel. The overall Paleo "society" has degenerated below corruption to sheer death cult and weaponry worship. Without Jooooos to kill, they'll inevetably turn on themselves and UN enablers. I hope truly good and innocent Paleos make it through, but I have little hope, and there's always collateral damage in a civil war

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 19:35

#14 I see an "empty quarter" to the east.... nobody wants it and they couldn't do much harm to the landscape or neighbors there. Trouble is, the Sauds don't like em or want em either...despite all their BS talk

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 19:29

#13 Frank,

Your #11 comment is right on the money. I agree. But, the solution is not to flood the Paleo's into Israeli land. Point the flow somewhere else.

Posted by: Poison Reverse 2005-08-23 18:23

#12 Frank,

Your second paragraph is 100% correct. In fact, I have video to prove your second paragraph and prove many other things that Hamas and the PLF have planned for Israel. But, not every Paleo is on that video.

For example, take the antics of Sheehan. The way that the MSM is covering the protest you would think that everyone in America is against Bush and is protesting at the ranch. There is only a few people protesting.

Believe me when I tell you, there are a hand full and I do mean only a hand full, of Paleo's who just want to work for a living and want the PLF and Hamas just to go away. But, they can't speak up lest they die along with their family. There are even Paleo's that are employed by the Israeli Shin Bet. Some Paleo's even paint laser for the Israeli Hellfire.

Don't get me wrong. I have stated plenty of times here, how much I want the Paleo's to be destroyed. But, some Paleo's are being used and abused by the PLF and Hamas. As a Christian, I have to judge the actions of the individual, I can't judge whole groups of people. If that was the case, people will be exterminating whole groups forever.

I do not want to take this topic and turn it into defending the Paleo's. I am just simply stating some facts about Paleo's.

Bottomline, I am only concerned about Israel, if that means the Paleo's eat each other, then so be it.

Posted by: Poison Reverse 2005-08-23 18:20

#11 IIRC Gaza was offered to Egypt in teh Sinai talks with Sadat. The Egyptians want no part of the "Paleo problem" becoming an Egyptian problem, and the Paleos will be a constant irritant wherever they reside

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 17:58

#10 Personally I think a three state solution would end up with Gaza swallowed by Egypt (and thus a semi-peaceful border) and Judea in conflict with the remains of the west bank (suicide bombers, weapons smuggling, etc) until finally Judea shoved the Pals into Jordan.

Sort of laundering your war.

Posted by: rjschwarz 2005-08-23 17:49

#9 I agree with Frank G re: the paleos. AFAIC, their blood is worth less than sea water. But I'd still keep the receipt on any property I buy from the Israeli government. Never know when they might be obliged to make "tough choices".

Posted by: BH 2005-08-23 17:31

#8 actually PR - West Bank settlements behind the wall are where the expansions are - especially around Jerusalem, to permanently stop teh "Now Jerusalem" Paleo movement. I think Sharon made (as in Nixon to China) tough choices that only he could back up.

When I say pass the popcorn, I mean it. I remember the Paleos ululating and passing out candies on 9/11. Women, teens, children, all. F*&k em - let them kill and eat each other. I only hope the Arab bastards that supported these animals are forced to continuously bail them out and absorb the hard cases

/rant

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 17:16

#7 BH,

You beat me to it.

Who would buy from this spineless bastard? This article states that there is going to be an expansion, but West Bank is being cleared out little by little, right now. The Jewish people are forgiving, but have LONG memories. This is it, no more. I promise you, from the emails that I have been getting, there is going to be a political grassroots revival like you have never seen before. Jesus please forgive my language. I am truly pissed off.

This is a wake up call for the Israeli people to get involved and you can bet your bottom shekel that they will. I feel sorry for any spineless pu*** who is going to run for the PM office in Israel, on the Left or a LINO. They will throughly vetted. In the past decade, the Israeli citizens weren't all that concerned with politics and let a lot things go, noticed, trusting their leaders.

Now, just as us, US Citizens had our wake up call on 9/11 and the Leftists and RINO's are being fully exposed with their clothes off, now the time has arrived for the Israeli citizens to strip bare their politicians and its happening already.

This is the Israeli 9/11 wake up call. Period. I know a lot of people at RB disagree with me on this issue. I can't change anyone's mind and please don't try to change my mind. I am flexible with any subject expect for Israel. Some may say that I am emotional. Then call me emotional. There are 650 million acres of Muslim land in the ME and Africa and are you telling me that the Jews are the ones that have to give up land. Well the Jews don't have to give up jack sh** for anybody. I am sick of people blaming from body odor to global warming, on the Jews. I don't believe in giving up land just because its easier to defend it. Terrorism is unforgiving and giving up land with NO absolute guarantee for peace from the other side is also wrong. In fact, no one should give land to these pigs.

By getting rid of the Jews from Gaza, PM Sharon just stabbed Israel in more ways that one. The settlement area is the epicenter of agriculture in Israel. This is like the US getting rid of the Mid-West. They export 70% of agriculture throughout Israel and the world. Yes, that's right Israel exports fruits. Can you believe it? No amount of money can replace that.

Also, the Paleo's who live there don't want the Jews to move out. Now they lost their jobs and will be killed by Hamas. Hamas is already pushing Shari'a in the strip. The Paleo's who worked in the greenhouses for the Jews are labled Zionist collaborators. They will be strung up. Is that what everyone wants to see, when they mean, popcorn. The last thing I want so see is a Gaza style human cock fight.

Posted by: Poison Reverse 2005-08-23 17:00

#6 Here's how the three state solution will end up: Jordan, Egypt, and Isreal. Check yer history books kids.

Posted by: Secret Master 2005-08-23 16:48

#5 but of course, no weapons smuggling into Judea, right RJ?

*eyes winking wildly*

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 16:31

#4 Two state solution my butt, lets talk about a three state solution: Israel, Palestine, Judea. Israel should enclose the 1949 borders as closely as possible and be a peaceful Euro multi-ethnic democracy. Judea on the other hand would take the rest of current Israel and the parts of the West bank deemed important to security. The nation of Palestine is what's left, probably Gaza, if they can keep the peace.

This way Judea can be as bad ass as they want and provide some deniability the way the Arabs have hidden behind the Pals.

Posted by: rjschwarz 2005-08-23 15:44

#3 I'd buy the 'effing penthouse built there.

Posted by: Mark E. 2005-08-23 15:17

#2 Hmmmm - perhaps a new temple where that Al-Aqsa thingy temporarily resides?

Posted by: Frank G 2005-08-23 14:23

#1 Would you buy a house from this man?

Posted by: BH 2005-08-23 13:58

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