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Elephants, lions to roam North America once more?
2005-08-18
Scientists are proposing reintroducing large mammals such as elephants, lions, cheetahs and wild horses to North America to replace populations lost 13,000 years ago.
Wasn't there a reason the populations were "lost"? Like climate and environmental changes?
The scientists say that not only could large tracts of North America act as breeding sanctuaries for species of large wild animals under threat in Africa and Asia, but that such ecological history parks could be major tourist attractions. "Africa and parts of Asia are now the only places where megafauna are relatively intact, and the loss of many of these species within this century seems likely," the team, led by Josh Donlan from New York's Cornell University, said.
I think we should have kangaroos, too. Why should Australia have all the kangaroos?
"Given this risk of further extinction, re-wilding of North American sites carries global conservation implications," the team wrote in Wednesday's issue of the science journal Nature. It said large mammals were common across all continents until the Late Pleistocene wipeout that hit North America hardest and handed the world to smaller species. The largest mammals in the United States today are bison. The Pleistocene epoch lasted from about 1.65 million years ago to 10,000 years ago.
Hmmm... What do the folks in Nebraska think about having rhinoceri and giant sloths reintroduced? Or do their opinions count?
"Large carnivores and herbivores often play important roles in the maintenance of biodiversity, and thus many extinct mammals must have shaped the evolution of the species we know today," the scientists wrote. They said the pronghorn antelope's remarkable turn of speed must be due at least in part to the presence of the now extinct predatory American cheetah alongside it on North America's grasslands. Reintroducing the modern relatives of the Late Pleistocene losers to North America could spark fresh interest in conservation, contribute to biodiversity and begin to put right some of the wrongs caused by human activities.
On the other hand, it could also wreak havoc on the existing ecological balance. We're still trying to get rid of snake head fish and killer bees and Dutch elm blight, aren't we?
"Establishing Asian asses and Przewalski's horse in North America might help prevent the extinction of these endangered species and would restore equid species to their evolutionary homeland," the scientists wrote. They proposed a second phase that would include reintroducing African cheetahs, lions and Asian and African elephants to large private parks. "Free-roaming, managed cheetahs in the southwestern United States could save the fastest carnivore from extinction, restore what must have been strong interactions with pronghorn and facilitate ecotourism as an alternative for ranchers.
An alternative to what? Raising cattle? Living in the area?
"Managed elephant populations could similarly benefit ranchers through grassland maintenance and ecotourism," they wrote, adding that reintroducing lions would represent the pinnacle of the Pleistocene re-wilding of North America.
"Honey, have you seen little Timmy?"
"He went out to play, dear."
"Uh oh."
I can't wait to post the first rogue elephant story datelined The Mall of The Americas...
They admitted the plan would be stoopid controversial but said it was a far better option than simply accepting the terminal decline of some of the world's most impressive species due to human encroachment and global warming.
I knew it "Global Warming" crops up in everything nowadays.
"Pleistocene re-wilding is an optimistic alternative," they wrote. "The obstacles are substantial and the risks are not trivial, but we can no longer accept a hands-off approach to wilderness preservation."
Sounds like an incredibly bad idea to me. These large herbivores competeing wiht humans for food and the carnivores going after farm animals. Yup, an incredibly bad idea.
Next year we're re-introducing trilobites.
Posted by:Deacon Blues

#41  California already has a surfeit of big cats. The security cameras at our facility in the wilds of San Diego periodically show mountain lions roaming our parking lots at night. They come up out of the canyons. Remember the state fossil of California is Smilodon Fatalis (sabretooth tiger). Perhaps some enterprising biotech company can find a way to bring them back as well.

As for converting the Great Plains into game preserves, this is just a Democrat plan to depopulate some of those pesky red states.
Posted by: RWV   2005-08-18 23:57  

#40  I for one have no prob with scientists improving or reintroducing species as new human food sources. As a kid I used to wonder how America would look like if it had large herds of enviro-friendly, meat- or flavor-improved African Wildebeests, Camels, Illamas, etc. roaming around America's deserts or preserves and legally being hunted for dinner by members of the NRA - BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2005-08-18 22:31  

#39  Hmmm... What do the folks in Nebraska think about having rhinoceri and giant sloths reintroduced?

It depends - what do they taste like?
Posted by: SC88   2005-08-18 21:28  

#38  That cat looks (gulp) a little largish....
Posted by: Secret Master   2005-08-18 19:58  

#37  LOL YS!
Posted by: Shipman   2005-08-18 19:43  

#36  Too bad they can't bring back the Miracinonyx Trumani. That would really be good at keeping the riff-raff out.
Posted by: Phil   2005-08-18 19:21  

#35  Howard UK
"We don't need no stinking Badgers"
Posted by: Yosemite Sam   2005-08-18 19:18  

#34  Our last big buffet was 13,000 years ago -- let's have another.
Posted by: Darrell   2005-08-18 18:49  

#33  sum howerd but gotter more snipes tho.
Posted by: muck4doo   2005-08-18 18:31  

#32  Do you have badgers?
Posted by: Howard UK   2005-08-18 18:05  

#31  Db, the State of Florida has re(?)-introduced American Bison into Paynes Prarie. Very strange to see, but they seem to do okay. Their only natural predator T. Turner Americanus is rarely seen south of Live Oak.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-08-18 18:03  

#30  Poison Reverse:

I don't know about electricity (my place is off grid), but the mountain lions? I trust Tony's word on this one: a good number of them are from California, and a small number of those have tasted the flesh of SoCo joggers.

F**ck you Thank you California, in so many ways.
Posted by: Secret Master   2005-08-18 18:01  

#29  LotR,

Stop being ignorant, even 13,000 years ago, it was Cheney's fault.

Secret Master,

Are you telling me that Nevada is in possession of electricity and mountain lions from California?
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-08-18 16:48  

#28  When are they going to advocate for the reintroduction of the mythical moderate and tolerant arab muslim in the middle east?
Posted by: MunkarKat   2005-08-18 16:46  

#27  Wasn't there a real reason these were lost?

The in-tune-with-nature human immigrants living in North America 13,000 years ago wiped them out...
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats   2005-08-18 16:39  

#26  Uh....

Wasn't there a real reason these were lost?

Extinction is an entirly natural process.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-08-18 15:50  

#25  A few years back someone got the bright idea to "re-introduce" Red Wolves to the Smokey Mountain National Park. They didn't last. Daniel Boone wrote that there were more buffalo here (east Tennesse) than he had seen cows in most pastures back east. We don't want buffalo roaming here now. This sounds like someone's fantasy. They wouldn't have to actually live where the animals would be "re-introduced" so, to them, it sounds like a great idea.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2005-08-18 15:40  

#24  Buffalo commons revisited. Here in western Kansas our insurance rates are already extreme due to the deer and the antelope playing. Last week a guy hit a wild pig and demolished his monster truck. We also have emu's and ostrich that have been dumped out from failed businesses. The cowboys love to rope them, and are thinking about adding it as an event in the local ranch rodeos. What's the matter with Kansas?
Posted by: bman   2005-08-18 15:17  

#23  big kats no prbblem long their intredoose hyenas to.
Posted by: muck4doo   2005-08-18 13:36  

#22  What kind of scientists are these?

Well-paid tenured ones.
Posted by: leader of the pack   2005-08-18 13:32  

#21  I'm all for having these threatened species in large *enclosed* parks, with the aim of preventing extinction.

Introducing them to roam free, much as similar timber wolf etc programs have done, is of course ludicrous.

Of course, if they can resurrect sabre-tooth tigers and reintroduce them to the wild, I am on board with that. It'll probably help keep the mountain lion population down.
Posted by: Carl in N.H.   2005-08-18 13:28  

#20  Scientists are proposing reintroducing large mammals such as elephants, lions, cheetahs and wild horses to North America to replace populations lost 13,000 years ago.

As a sometime resident of Gerlach, Nevada I just have to comment on this at some length.

1) There are currently rather a large number of wild horses in North America. Anecdotally, several off them walked past the front of my ranch in March of this year. The question of what, if anything, to do about them is a constant source of political debate in Northern Nevada. They make look pretty but they certainly aren’t indigenous animals and, as a basically superior species, they take up grazing land that is normally occupied by deer, pronghorn antelope, and bighorn sheep. Wild horses equal dead indigenous species. Currently the B.L.M. (Bureau of Land Management) conducts a costly annual roundup of mustangs to keep their numbers down.

2) Nevada currently has an out of control mountain lion population problem. This is due in no small part to the fact that California’s animal control people routinely dump captured lions including man eaters over the boarder into its northern counties. My neighbor Tony DieBold, a professional hunter and former Nevada state trapper, estimates that there are over 130 adult lions in the Granite and Calico ranges alone. The rural northwest needs more big cats (cheetahs and lions) like a hole in the head.

3) There were 130 bear “encounters” in Incline Village last year alone. Badgers have become a constant menace to house pets even in the center of Reno The timber wolves have come back; they should be infesting my area as soon as next year. Which, for me, is all to the good. My wife and I are armed up like an Afghan tribesmen and a little danger keeps the riffraff out. I’m hoping that a few Burning Man people are eaten by bears or something. But all of my neighbors are real ranchers (I just own a place everyone calls a ranch), none of them are thrilled about the resurgence of Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom.

Now some mad scientist wants to add elephants? What kind of scientists are these? Besides the mad kind, I mean.

Posted by: Secret Master   2005-08-18 13:08  

#19  sweet! hoper we getn sum jirafes overn heer. nise shade off bernt oranje. :)

an there got horns to!
Posted by: muck4doo   2005-08-18 13:01  

#18  I think the sight of Polar Bears roaming around Gainesville, Florida would be pretty cool. And, the image of gators up in Churhill, Canada would be a sight!
Posted by: DragonFly   2005-08-18 12:54  

#17  I would love to have a couple of Cheetas to take care of the damn neighborhood dogs that run free.
Posted by: BrerRabbit   2005-08-18 12:42  

#16  Actually, the name gives it away: Pleistocene re-wilding.
But we're not in the Pleistocene anymore, we're now in the Holocene. You can't unscramble an egg.
Posted by: Spot   2005-08-18 12:14  

#15  So are we supposed to just evacuate Nebraska and turn it over to the gazelles? I mean, where do they want to put this massive park?
Posted by: WhiteCollarRedneck   2005-08-18 12:08  

#14  Why is it that the people who most fervently believe in Darwinism are the least able to accept the outcomes?

BH,

Ouch! If you keep breaking liberals like that, we're not going to have any left to play with!

Truth is, Darwinism is only useful to that crowd as a battering ram to smash down traditional notions like God, honor, decency, etc.
Posted by: Dreadnought   2005-08-18 11:44  

#13  I say reintroduce mastadons. When one hunts one of these babies, the whole town can eat for a year.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-08-18 11:39  

#12  Mostly due to the invasion of humans, esp. once the Clovis style of arrowhead was in use.

but, but, but, I thought the Indians lived as One with nature in a glorious new-age Utopia?
Posted by: BH   2005-08-18 11:39  

#11  Why should Australia have all the kangaroos?

No blood for marsupials!
Posted by: Matt   2005-08-18 11:35  

#10  except for climate change re: the mastodons and mammoths. never were 'elephants' here.
Posted by: leader of the pack   2005-08-18 11:22  

#9  Wasn't there a reason the populations were "lost"? Like climate and environmental changes?

Mostly due to the invasion of humans, esp. once the Clovis style of arrowhead was in use.
Posted by: leader of the pack   2005-08-18 11:21  

#8  WTF? We don't even allow enough room for the native predators (wolves, cougars, bears, etc.) to thrive, so let's introduce some more! That's brilliant.
Posted by: Dar   2005-08-18 11:20  

#7  Those asain asses look like the tend to overgraze.
Posted by: macofromoc   2005-08-18 11:19  

#6  Establishing Asian asses ...

We already have those. Do we need to import more?
Posted by: BigEd   2005-08-18 11:15  

#5  I say we put all these beasts in Berkly with a large wall so no one can get out, let them play with the local population for a year or so and then interview the survivors (if any) and see if the survivors are all for widespread reintroduction.
Posted by: mmurray821   2005-08-18 11:12  

#4  I like cats, so we'll take two of the cheetahs. The invisible fence should do the trick, as long as the power doesn't go out.
Posted by: Curt Simon   2005-08-18 10:59  

#3  "but NIMBY"
Posted by: macofromoc   2005-08-18 10:59  

#2  Why is it that the people who most fervently believe in Darwinism are the least able to accept the outcomes?
Posted by: BH   2005-08-18 10:57  

#1  It's a shame western Europe is deprived of fire ants and alligators in their yards. Can I have a grant to fix this?
Posted by: ed   2005-08-18 10:55  

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