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French thinker urges UK to opt out of EU
2005-08-18
One of the most celebrated anglophile members of the French intelligentsia Tuesday appealed to Britain to consider downgrading its membership in the EU. Maurice Druon who was knighted for his services to Anglo-French relations, said the country's aversion to European integration was incompatible with full membership of the Union, The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported. Instead he suggested that Britain opt for a "privileged partner" scheme resembling what some EU governments have in mind for Turkey.

"What Britain and Europe want of the EU is quite different. You want an open market, whereas the rest of us want Europe to evolve as a strong power, not just economically but diplomatically and strategically, too", the octogenarian former cultural minister said.
Druon, who is known to be a long-time friend of Britain, listed the close transatlantic relationship, the reluctance to join the single currency, and the strong support for Turkish accession to the EU as stances that made Britain unsuited for full membership of the Brussels-based club.

"Shouldn't we draw the consequences and ask whether it wouldn't be to everyone's advantage, Britain's included, for them to leave the EU's political institutions and take the status of privileged partner?" the aging intellectual asked, adding that it should be up to London to make the first move towards loosening its political affiliation with the continent.
He may be more correct than he knows. Britain has some deep-seated differences from continental Europe that are truly incompatible with the EU. One of the most important, their having a criminal and civil law system based on Common Law, rather than Napoleonic or Roman Law. This goes to the root of British and European philosophical assumptions about the law and government. As an example, imagine Chirac ruling over the British, with all of the powers given to him in the French constitution. The Brits would revolt within days.
Posted by:Anonymoose

#12  The Brits should quit the EU and join the UESCEC - Union of English Speaking Countries Except Canada.
Posted by: DMFD   2005-08-18 22:29  

#11  #9 Last sentence should be:
2025 will be an interesting year in the EU capitol, asteroid or no asteroid.
Posted by: ed 2005-08-18 13:19

CORRECTION:
"2025 will be an interesting year in the EU capitol, Iranian nuclear missile attack or no Iranian missile attack."
Posted by: The Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen   2005-08-18 13:28  

#10  Lost me at "French Thinker"..
Posted by: Spot   2005-08-18 13:25  

#9  Last sentence should be:
2025 will be an interesting year in the EU capitol, asteroid or no asteroid.
Posted by: ed   2005-08-18 13:19  

#8  Europe taking their marching order from Brussels? Why not.

Euro-islam.info: Belgium
One of the consequences of this situation is that one-quarter of Brusselians under 20 years old are of 'Muslim origin'. Moreover in 2002 in the region of Brussels the most popular names given to babies were Mohammed and Sarah (Bousetta 2003:8).

In addition, over 50% of babies born in Brussels are muslim. 2025 will be an interesting year in the EU capitol.
Posted by: ed   2005-08-18 13:18  

#7  Brussels. Another place to send the asteroid coming in 20 years. Hope its not too late for the Brits...
Posted by: BigEd   2005-08-18 12:27  

#6  Remember that the whole thing is "shades of grey". For example, an economic union can exist independently of political or military union. The problem begins when the EU tries to assert political supremacy over Britain. For example, in Common Law, "that which is not expressly illegal is legal", which makes perfect sense to Americans, who also live in a Common Law country; but in Roman and Napoleonic law, "that which is not expressly legal is illegal." This is the reason that the EU constitution was huge, repulsive, and bureaucratic. It was literally an effort to define all legal activity. In Germany, the longstanding joke is that *everything*, even criminal activity, is licensed by the police. But it's no joke. Especially when you look at economics, the two systems are utterly at odds, and at a very deep level. Making a new business start-up in Britain or the US should be easy: all you need is money. But on the continent, you must first have bureaucratic approval.

These differences are completely ingrained in the people both in Britain and on the continent. And while a continental might be able to adapt to the idea of independance from government and bureaucracy, the British, as a people, would be lost.

The man on the street would not have a clue what the law said anymore. The policeman wouldn't know what laws to enforce. Business would grind down because without warning, some Brussels bureaucrat would order it to make uneconomic changes, based on some obscure dictat. Most of the people would try to ignore Brussels, and so eventually the country would be punished, again and again, for non-compliance.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-08-18 12:07  

#5  too much of Polands trade is with the EU, esp Germany, for Poland to pull out. Until such time as the internet and trade in services, etc change global trade patterns more profoundly, geography will still be destiny, and NAFTA will no more be an option for Britain than the EU will be for Quebec, despite cultural discomfort.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-08-18 11:09  

#4  if britain is in an economic union with the EU, but not part of the political institutions, that means british industry will have to follow economic rules made without british input. If the EU wont accomodate britain on the institution, that may be what Britain will settle for, but its NOT an ideal situation. Blair presumably thinks that with the support of Italy, Poland, etc against the franco-german alliance he can do better in the union than out.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-08-18 11:05  

#3  What the Frogs seem to want is the restoration of the Roman Empire with HQ in Brussels because it's closer to Paris. For the last 500 years the Spanish, French and Germans have striven to achieve this and global hegemony for themselves alone with each ultimately frustrated by the UK which actually came closest to achieving it with out actually trying. Now the Continentals want to declare an empire with no clear dominant power and a capital in a second class city.

That would definitely be a death nell for Nato. It would also place the recent admits in a peculiar position. Do they want to be the new border provinces of the empire or do they want to play on the team with the 500 year winning record? This doesn't seem hard to me. Perhaps the Brits should talk to the Poles, Turks and whom ever else is interested and see what they can stitch together. Part of NAFTA perhaps. Maybe they could call it The Other Europe.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-08-18 10:09  

#2  The ol' geezer hasn't lost it. Britain would be better off.
Posted by: 2b   2005-08-18 05:17  

#1  Sounds good to me but I don't hold out any hope for that. The Labor party is for full intergration come hell or high water, reality be danmed.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom   2005-08-18 00:59  

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